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Delaware? I just don't see that. South Jersey shares a lot with Philadelphia and North Jersey shares a lot with New York. Delaware is a lot more rural than New Jersey, Maryland is a significantly larger state yet has a much higher population density than DE.
Of course there's only one New Jersey, and every state is unique. However the states closest to New Jersey in terms of culture, density, size, politics, economy, education, and wealth would be Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Maryland. Here's where these 4 states show up in the rankings of the 50 states and the District (ACS Ranking Tables - American FactFinder):
Population Density:
1. New Jersey
3. Massachusetts
4. Connecticut
5. Maryland
Wealth-Median Household Income:
1. Maryland
2. New Jersey
3. Connecticut
6. Massachusetts
Economy:
(Kauffman Institute New Economy Rankings)
1. Massachusetts
3. Maryland
5. New Jersey
6. Connecticut
Education:
(Percent of people with Bachelor's Degree)
2. Massachusetts
3. Maryland
5. Connecticut
6. New Jersey
Politics:
(regulatory policy ranked by the Mercatus Institute a conservative think tank in Virginia)
42. Connecticut
43. Massachusetts
47. Maryland
49. New Jersey
Delaware? I just don't see that. South Jersey shares a lot with Philadelphia and North Jersey shares a lot with New York. Delaware is a lot more rural than New Jersey, Maryland is a significantly larger state yet has a much higher population density than DE.
Sure, Jersey has a lot in common with Philadelphia and New York City, but both NYC and Philly have nothing much in common with their home states. Philly is demographically more like NJ than it is PA, and the same goes for NYC with NY state. As a Pennsylvanian who is tired of my tax dollars being dumped into Philadelphia, I would be happy to give Philly to NJ. The rest of PA outside of Philly has more demographically in common with upstate NY than it does Philly.
Sure, Jersey has a lot in common with Philadelphia and New York City, but both NYC and Philly have nothing much in common with their home states. Philly is demographically more like NJ than it is PA, and the same goes for NYC with NY state. As a Pennsylvanian who is tired of my tax dollars being dumped into Philadelphia, I would be happy to give Philly to NJ. The rest of PA outside of Philly has more demographically in common with upstate NY than it does Philly.
Most of us don't want cities. You don't go to VT for a big city lifestyle. Most real VT'ers (who can trace their family back several generations in VT, in my case, to the earliest White settlers) don't even consider Burlington part of Vermont.
I've been to the Pine Barrens. They're interesting but I like Northern VT or Northern Maine better. The Pine Barrens are like an island in some ways.
I think you missed my point. My point is that, Burlington is a CITY to you guys. To us people in NJ/NY, it's more of a town. Just like to us NJ people, our rural areas are really rural, but to Vermont people, it may seem less so. It's relative. But in reality, Burlington is a city, by definition, just like the rural parts of NJ are rural, by definition.
The least crowded parts of NJ are still more crowded than Northern New England or states like Alaska. I've seen what passes for "rural" in NJ and it simply isn't close to rural to someone from VT who's also spent time in Northern Maine. It's simply light suburban. There isn't a lot of private property within the protected portion of the Pine Barrens to live on. The others parts are facing development and sprawl. Come up to NNE for real rural, and Northern Maine for some true wilderness.
No, there is nothing here like Alaska or northern New England. I have not been to either, but have family and friends who have visited, stayed for a while. Still, in this small, densely populated state I can drive about 20 minutes from my suburban home (in a housing development) and walk around around in the woods all day and not run into another person.
You've seen what passes for rural in NJ; I don't know what you've seen. As far as I'm concerned, there are too many houses and too much private land in the Pine Barrens. I don't have to go NNE to find the wilderness. I have seen it in PA, where I was born, as well as NY, CA and AZ.
Sure, Jersey has a lot in common with Philadelphia and New York City, but both NYC and Philly have nothing much in common with their home states. Philly is demographically more like NJ than it is PA, and the same goes for NYC with NY state. As a Pennsylvanian who is tired of my tax dollars being dumped into Philadelphia, I would be happy to give Philly to NJ. The rest of PA outside of Philly has more demographically in common with upstate NY than it does Philly.
Well yeah, that's true. The only states NY and PA are similar to are each other. That's why I said CT, MA, and MD. About the taxes, the people in "real Virginia" say the same thing about densley populated Northern Virginia in the DC Area . At one point (before Independence) Philadelphia (as well all land South and West of it) was claimed by Maryland and a small war was fought between the two colonies, the end result being the M-D line.
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Originally Posted by Gerania
You've seen what passes for rural in NJ; I don't know what you've seen. As far as I'm concerned, there are too many houses and too much private land in the Pine Barrens.
One winter Christopher and Paulie got lost in the Pine Barrens and almost died there .
I never answered the question. If I had to pick just one state, I'd say Maryland. It's got some elevation in the west, a busy, densely populated area, ocean beaches and the bay. Otherwise, I'd Frankenstein together parts of four or five surrounding states.
"...Christopher and Paulie got lost in the Pine Barrens..."
It happens with surprising regularity. Maybe people think that because it's a small state that they can't get lost.
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Well yeah, that's true. The only states NY and PA are similar to are each other. That's why I said CT, MA, and MD. About the taxes, the people in "real Virginia" say the same thing about densley populated Northern Virginia in the DC Area . At one point (before Independence) Philadelphia (as well all land South and West of it) was claimed by Maryland and a small war was fought between the two colonies, the end result being the M-D line.
One winter Christopher and Paulie got lost in the Pine Barrens and almost died there .
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. At one point (before Independence) Philadelphia (as well all land South and West of it) was claimed by Maryland and a small war was fought between the two colonies, the end result being the M-D line.
