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Old 05-01-2007, 10:50 AM
 
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We had two malls built here in the 80s that were supposed to revitalize downton St. Paul: Galtier Plaza and the "World Trade Center"/Town Square Plaza (that's what they called it when they built it). Both failed miserably. They had department stores, high end restaurants, night clubs, specialty stores, movie theaters, etc. Today, the buildings are still there, but most of the retail space has been converted to such uses as a DMV licensing station, state government offices, a storefront police station, and scads of private office space. A few restaurants remain, as well as the adjacent Dayton's/Marshall-Field's/nowMacy's department store that has been downsized and is subsidized by the City to stay put, but that's about it.

Now, some developer wants to build a huge new shopping reisdential and entertainment complex right across the river from downtown on some land that was slum-cleared in the 60s and converted to a bleak industrial area. People point out the failures of Galtier and WTC (now called Wells Fargo Place) but the developer takes out huge one page newspaper advertisments saying his development will be "different"!

Meanwhile, the big deal here is Mall of America. It is very successful, but it's owners claim they need tax subsidies to double its size. Me, I live less than a 10 minute drive from MOA, but I spend as little time there as possible.

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Old 05-01-2007, 10:57 AM
 
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Beuatiful Seattle pix, pwright. Was there the summer before last and that's how I remember it looking. All American cities should have downtowns as thriving and attractive as Seattle's.
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Old 05-01-2007, 10:59 AM
 
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I have been to the Mall of America once. Basically a big boring mall. No interest.

Downtown Minneapolis and the area around the university are much better.
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:42 AM
 
Location: VA
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I think the lifestyle outside malls are only nice on days that are 60-80 degrees, about 1/3 the year.
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Old 05-01-2007, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Katy-zuela
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How do these lifestyle centers survive when they are -30 C or +40 C outside? Houston's summertime can be brutal on lifestyle centers. Chicago's winters can be harsh on lifestyle centers. But then Old Orchard has survived 50 years in business.
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Old 05-01-2007, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Wi for the summer--Vegas in the winter
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Malls? Blah!

Give me a mainstreet or downtown district not an ugly, sprawling mall filled with boring suburbanites buying more junk for their cookie cutter homes.
I could not agree more!!! Malls-No Class, No True Caracter. They are a WASTE OF SPACE. I DESPISE them!!
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Old 05-01-2007, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Lifestyle malls, i.e. The Village of Rochester Hills in my hometown in Michigan, and Crocker Park in Westlake, Ohio ... are awful when it is cold! Not authentic like a real downtown or comfortable like an indoor mall: yuck!

My favorite indoor malls, in no particular order:

Somerset Collection: Troy, Michigan
Woodfield: Schaumburg, Illinois
Beachwood Place: Beachwood, Ohio
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Old 05-01-2007, 03:21 PM
 
Location: The Bay State
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it's owners claim they need tax subsidies to double its size.

Double its size?!?!?!
Please tell me you're kidding . . . .
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Old 05-01-2007, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Default King of Prussia Mall -- The East Coast's Premier Shopping Destination

The King of Prussia Mall - King of Prussia, PA (approximately 20 miles west of Philadelphia)

Its got the upscale Plaza with Italian eateries, sushi, chinese, smoothie place, some restaurants, Hermes, Hugo Boss, Brooks Brothers, Armani Exchange, Versace, The Buckle, Diesel, Puma Store, Neiman Marcus, Nordstrom, Lord and Taylor, Apple store, your normal Abercrombie hollister etc, Anne Taylor, Burberry, Coach, Louis Vuitton. The Court has got Bloomingdales, the Cheesecake Factory, your normal mall stuff, Macys.

There is an Imax movie theatre, Maggianos, Fitness club, Best Buy, a Rubys Diner where you get served milk shakes in fries but waitresses in 50 eras getup.

I think its the third biggest in the East. I love it and was only a 15 minute hop on the expressway from where I used to live.

http://www.kingofprussiamall.com/
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:17 PM
 
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Double its size?!?!?!
Please tell me you're kidding . . . .
I kid you not, Vagus. They want to add 5.6 million square feet at a cost of $1.7 billion.
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