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View Poll Results: Which of the wealthiest states would you live in?
Maryland 20 9.95%
New Jersey 31 15.42%
Connecticut 10 4.98%
Alaska 9 4.48%
Hawaii 11 5.47%
Massachusetts 25 12.44%
New Hampshire 8 3.98%
Virginia 19 9.45%
California 44 21.89%
Washington 24 11.94%
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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Oh you noticed as well .
I'm confused. I thought only super-rich plutocrats voted Republican and the Democrats were the party of the downtrodden. I imagined a Democrat would consider poverty a moral virtue instead of grinning smugly at their own wealth.
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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The Great Plains is quite conservative and does pretty well at education. Wyoming is the "least taxed" state and is above average income according to this. It's also above average in education according to "Morgan Quitno."

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Equating conservatism to "White Southerner who's Evangelical Protestant" is a relatively new, and at least somewhat erroneous, notion. Much of earlier conservatism was "High Church" ie Anglican, Catholic, and some Lutherans. Even now the most conservative and Republican religious grouping in America are probably the Mormons. My problems with their religion aside Mormons are relatively healthy and educated on average.

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Old 09-26-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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I'm confused. I thought only super-rich plutocrats voted Republican and the Democrats were the party of the downtrodden. I imagined a Democrat would consider poverty a moral virtue instead of grinning smugly at their own wealth.
Remember, education is the key here.

Fox News and it's far-right propaganda does an excellent job of scaring millions of poor, uneducated people into voting against their own self-interests. Republicans also cleverly use morality to incite fundamentalist religious leaders to politicize from their pulpits (which is a violation of church and state). Where is education weakest? Where is religion strongest? Where are the majority of anti-tax teabaggers based? The South.

Mixing up terms like socialist and fascist plays into people's ignorance. People are using terms they don't even truly understand. Hint: you can't be a fascist and a socialist at the same time -- they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Fear of change. Fear of technology. Fear is an excellent tool when we have an under-funded education system that can actually teach people how the world really works. Keep taxes low, keep education sparse, reap the benefits through the politics of fear.
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:49 PM
 
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New Jersey, the best located of them all.
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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I'm confused. I thought only super-rich plutocrats voted Republican and the Democrats were the party of the downtrodden. I imagined a Democrat would consider poverty a moral virtue instead of grinning smugly at their own wealth.
Things do seem to have shifted to a "New Coalition." I'm having trouble finding the source for it, but basically Democrats are a mix of wealthy whites with post-graduate degrees and poor racial minorities. Republican-rich is more people who went into business, particularly in the oil or gas industry, without having any degree higher than a Bachelor's.
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:54 PM
 
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The Great Plains is quite conservative and does pretty well at education. Wyoming is the "least taxed" state and is above average income according to this. It's also above average in education according to "Morgan Quitno."

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Equating conservatism to "White Southerner who's Evangelical Protestant" is a relatively new, and at least somewhat erroneous, notion. Much of earlier conservatism was "High Church" ie Anglican, Catholic, and some Lutherans. Even now the most conservative and Republican religious grouping in America are probably the Mormons. My problems with their religion aside Mormons are relatively healthy and educated on average.
The Plains States are conservative, but not as conservative as the South. Didn't Iowa legalize gay marriage recently?

I think part of the reason is this: the ethnic makeup of the Great Plains is strongly Germanic or Scandinavian. The Northern European nations are known for their high standard of living and yes, socialized healthcare.

They are also known for extremely low obesity rates, extremely high literacy, extremely low affiliation with organized religion, extremely high levels of atheism.

Scandinavia is very pro-feminist/equality of the sexes. Very tolerant of homosexual relationships and marriage.

In many ways, Scandinavian countries have evolved into a higher form of human relationships -- far ahead of the U.S. despite our incredible potential. The only non-Scandinavian country similar is Japan.

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Old 09-26-2009, 12:55 PM
 
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Remember, education is the key here.

Fox News and it's far-right propaganda does an excellent job of scaring millions of poor, uneducated people into voting against their own self-interests. Republicans also cleverly use morality to incite fundamentalist religious leaders to politicize from their pulpits (which is a violation of church and state). Where is education weakest? Where is religion strongest? Where are the majority of anti-tax teabaggers based? The South.

Mixing up terms like socialist and fascist plays into people's ignorance. People are using terms they don't even truly understand. Hint: you can't be a fascist and a socialist at the same time -- they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Fear of change. Fear of technology. Fear is an excellent tool when we have an under-funded education system that can actually teach people how the world really works. Keep taxes low, keep education sparse, reap the benefits through the politics of fear.
Hint: there's no thing as a linear political spectrum. You can't put hetereogeneous elements orderly in a row. Another hint: "national socialist".

Secondly, so basically you think they should stop listening to Fox to listen to......you, who know what's best for them. That's the definition of illustrated despotism. "All for the people but without the people".
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Old 09-26-2009, 01:04 PM
 
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Hint: there's no thing as a linear political spectrum. You can't put hetereogenic elements orderly in a row. Another hint: "national socialist".

Secondly, so basically you think they should stop listening to Fox to listen to......you, who know what's best for them. That's the definition of illustrated despotism. "All for the people but without the people".
No, I think they should get an education and think for themselves. That's what I did.

Didn't George Orwell say it best:

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."

In other words where were all the teabaggers when the Iraq war was draining the American treasury? Now that we're trying to invest in America instead of into American para-military contractors like Haliburton? Think, people, think...
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Old 09-26-2009, 03:51 PM
 
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The Plains States are conservative, but not as conservative as the South. Didn't Iowa legalize gay marriage recently?

I think part of the reason is this: the ethnic makeup of the Great Plains is strongly Germanic or Scandinavian. The Northern European nations are known for their high standard of living and yes, socialized healthcare.

They are also known for extremely low obesity rates, extremely high literacy, extremely low affiliation with organized religion, extremely high levels of atheism.

Scandinavia is very pro-feminist/equality of the sexes. Very tolerant of homosexual relationships and marriage.

In many ways, Scandinavian countries have evolved into a higher form of human relationships -- far ahead of the U.S. despite our incredible potential. The only non-Scandinavian country similar is Japan.
I think you're reaching a little.

Many Dutch-American places are highly conservative and high in social conservatism. Scandinavian descendants in Minnesota are pretty socially liberal, but in North Dakota not so much. "North Dakota Constitutional Measure 1 (2004)" passed with over 70% of the vote and states

Marriage consists only of the legal union between a man and a woman. No other domestic union, however denominated, may be recognized as a marriage or given the same or substantially equivalent legal effect.
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Old 09-26-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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Educated people make more money. Educated people vote Democrat. Educated people either are not extremely religious or are Jewish, Roman Catholic or liberal Protestants -- non evangelical.

Educated people are fitter not fatter. The red states are also the fattest states because people who don't understand or refuse to comprehend nutrition end up eating unhealthy foods.

States with high taxes use this tax revenue to pay for EDUCATION. Conservatives don't like to pay taxes and end up with underfunded school systems full of people who put pulpit ahead of practicality.

It's all a vicious cycle. Less tax revenue = less intelligent people = people who are unhealthier/unhappier = people who succumb to religious extremism. This occurs in poverty-stricken areas of Christian America as well as in poverty-stricken Islamic countries.

The argument is so simple, yet explains so much. Yes the religious fanatics on both sides (Christian and Muslim) fail to realize how similar they are to each other and how dangerous they are to civilized society.
This post is going to infuriate nearly 50% of those that read it, but know this: generally speaking (of course), the poster is DEAD-ON.

Excellent thoughts.
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