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View Poll Results: Which of the wealthiest states would you live in?
Maryland 20 9.95%
New Jersey 31 15.42%
Connecticut 10 4.98%
Alaska 9 4.48%
Hawaii 11 5.47%
Massachusetts 25 12.44%
New Hampshire 8 3.98%
Virginia 19 9.45%
California 44 21.89%
Washington 24 11.94%
Voters: 201. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-28-2009, 06:09 PM
 
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I've heard that NH is a libertarian state. The people are fiscally conservative but socially liberal.
NH has a lot more traditional small-government Republicans. We have far fewer neocons and social conservatives overall.
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Old 10-28-2009, 10:56 PM
 
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NH has a lot more traditional small-government Republicans. We have far fewer neocons and social conservatives overall.
So I heard right then? I heard NH's taxes are real low compared to most states so it sounds like conservative, small government. Usually your low tax states are your Republican states.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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Another anomaly is West Virginia (one of the 2 poorest states). Despite being extremely socially conservative, Democrats are voted into most statewide offices. This stems a lot from the state being really heavily unionized. The state was one of 6 to vote for Jimmy Carter and it gave Bill Clinton two landslides. However, it was one of Obama's poorest states (more than likely stemming from its social conservatism).
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:31 PM
 
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Another anomaly is West Virginia (one of the 2 poorest states). Despite being extremely socially conservative, Democrats are voted into most statewide offices. This stems a lot from the state being really heavily unionized. The state was one of 6 to vote for Jimmy Carter and it gave Bill Clinton two landslides. However, it was one of Obama's poorest states (more than likely stemming from its social conservatism).
Yeah so you're saying it's weird that the people are very socially conservative but they vote Democrat a lot. I guess the unions (employment prospects) is more important than abortion and these other things.

I have to agree making money is more important than just about anything else so you need to vote for the guy that's going to get you the most money. It's just like the old saying goes. Money talks and bull**** walks.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I'm more of a Democrat these days, but what you are hinting isn't accurate. The BLUE states have a much higher COL than the RED states, which evens out the income gap. You also have to look at how much do the BLUE states tax your income compared to the RED states.
You should check the tax burden link somebody posted. Massachusetts, for example, which is often maligned as taxachusetts, is 29th on the list, and the tax burden is bellow the national average. We do have a high cost of living, but it's not outrageously high. +

What you have to look at is discretionary income. Obviously a higher income does you no good if it is all taken by a higher cost of living. But if it pays your bills and leaves you with extra, you are better off than the guy with the lower income covering his bills but with nothing left. Incomes are high in Massachusetts in part to cover cost of living, but also because the workers here are highly skilled and worth a premium salary. There is a gap between the sill premium and the cost of living which is where wealth is generated.
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:19 AM
 
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Another anomaly is West Virginia (one of the 2 poorest states). Despite being extremely socially conservative, Democrats are voted into most statewide offices. This stems a lot from the state being really heavily unionized. The state was one of 6 to vote for Jimmy Carter and it gave Bill Clinton two landslides. However, it was one of Obama's poorest states (more than likely stemming from its social conservatism).
The opposite is true for Massachusetts. Mass almost always votes Democrat on the national scene, but until this past election we had four Republican Governors. Of the last 16 mayors, 8 have been Republicans. It's often overlooked how balanced Massachusetts is politically.

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Old 10-30-2009, 09:48 AM
 
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You should check the tax burden link somebody posted. Massachusetts, for example, which is often maligned as taxachusetts, is 29th on the list, and the tax burden is bellow the national average. We do have a high cost of living, but it's not outrageously high. +

What you have to look at is discretionary income. Obviously a higher income does you no good if it is all taken by a higher cost of living. But if it pays your bills and leaves you with extra, you are better off than the guy with the lower income covering his bills but with nothing left. Incomes are high in Massachusetts in part to cover cost of living, but also because the workers here are highly skilled and worth a premium salary. There is a gap between the sill premium and the cost of living which is where wealth is generated.
Yeah this is interesting. I've always heard that MA is a real high tax state. A lot of times things aren't what they seem.
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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The opposite is true for Massachusetts. Mass almost always votes Democrat on the national scene, but until this past election we had four Republican Mayors. Of the last 16 mayors, 8 have been Republicans. It's often overlooked how balanced Massachusetts is politically.
Yeah I always had the impression MA was an ultra-liberal state. My impression was CA is the most liberal state and MA is number two.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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The opposite is true for Massachusetts. Mass almost always votes Democrat on the national scene, but until this past election we had four Republican Mayors. Of the last 16 mayors, 8 have been Republicans. It's often overlooked how balanced Massachusetts is politically.
I think you meant governor, rather than mayor. But if you look beyond that singular office, Republicans are virtually non-existent in Massachusetts. It is not remotely balanced, rather more closely reflecting a single party state. I am fairly liberal but I consider the situation problematic. Without a strong opposition voice you get group think, corruption, and unstoppable inertia. That's not how a government should run. We need a vibrant Republican party in this state. 6 senators out of 40 is a ridiculous imbalance.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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I think you meant governor, rather than mayor. But if you look beyond that singular office, Republicans are virtually non-existent in Massachusetts. It is not remotely balanced, rather more closely reflecting a single party state. I am fairly liberal but I consider the situation problematic. Without a strong opposition voice you get group think, corruption, and unstoppable inertia. That's not how a government should run. We need a vibrant Republican party in this state. 6 senators out of 40 is a ridiculous imbalance.
So my impression of MA is correct then.

I see your point. Without two parties opposing each other to keep the balance the situation will become very unbalanced. It'll end up turning into a dictatorship where all h*ll will break loose.

As much as I hate all the constant Republican/Democrat bickering and third grade insults it's needed for a good Democracy. Otherwise it will be like China where you have a one party rule and the government can push you around all day long and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll be a captive audience carrying around a red book all the time and that's just the way it's going to be.

This is your mission if you choose to accept it and you will ...
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