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Old 10-30-2009, 07:34 PM
 
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Found this article about small town population, seems most appropriate in this thread
How to Reverse the Rural Brain Drain | Newsweek National News | Newsweek.com
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Old 10-30-2009, 07:59 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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One thing I wanted to note here about my own state. Once in a while you see a troll say that New York State is dying, upstate in particular. Or they say there is nothing in NYS outside of Manhattan.

If you look at the map there are some blue counties that are losing population, notably Erie (Buffalo) and Niagara. But MOST New York counties, including upstate counties have small gains. These gains are small I agree, but it shows that most of the state is not dying.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:06 PM
 
Location: IN
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One thing I wanted to note here about my own state. Once in a while you see a troll say that New York State is dying, upstate in particular. Or they say there is nothing in NYS outside of Manhattan.

If you look at the map there are some blue counties that are losing population, notably Erie (Buffalo) and Niagara. But MOST New York counties, including upstate counties have small gains. These gains are small I agree, but it shows that most of the state is not dying.
True, but upstate NY loses a huge quantity of younger educated workers to other states. NY still ranks in the top five when it comes to population out-migration. NYC is the engine that drives growth and upstate NY still faces a high tax burden relative to lower wages and a more severe regulatory climate compared to other states.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:18 PM
 
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One thing I wanted to note here about my own state. Once in a while you see a troll say that New York State is dying, upstate in particular. Or they say there is nothing in NYS outside of Manhattan.

If you look at the map there are some blue counties that are losing population, notably Erie (Buffalo) and Niagara. But MOST New York counties, including upstate counties have small gains. These gains are small I agree, but it shows that most of the state is not dying.
Many of the cities that have been losing population over the recent decades are beginning to reinvent themselves. Cities like Buffalo that have lost a lot of residents will have to get used to being smaller cities and work to retain the residents they still have.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:38 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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True, but upstate NY loses a huge quantity of younger educated workers to other states. NY still ranks in the top five when it comes to population out-migration. NYC is the engine that drives growth and upstate NY still faces a high tax burden relative to lower wages and a more severe regulatory climate compared to other states.
Yet the population of most counties is still growing as we can see by the map. Perhaps a little less negativity and a more postive outlook might be the first step.

Speaking of which, despite all the bad mouthing that Michigan gets, look at most of Michigan.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:42 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Many of the cities that have been losing population over the recent decades are beginning to reinvent themselves. Cities like Buffalo that have lost a lot of residents will have to get used to being smaller cities and work to retain the residents they still have.
I have also heard postive things about Syracuse and Troy. The Capitol District is growing, especially Saratoga County. Also the Rochester area is holding steady, although maybe not the city itself as much yet.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: IN
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Yet the population of most counties is still growing as we can see by the map. Perhaps a little less negativity and a more postive outlook might be the first step.

Speaking of which, despite all the bad mouthing that Michigan gets, look at most of Michigan.
Stability in terms of slow population growth is good while economic stability is generally perceived as being bad (outmigration and loss to the tax base). Enterprenurship and the creation of small businesses can help. Having competitive business taxes and a more favorable regulatory environment are keys. The ability to retain intellectual capital is what upstate NY needs to work on.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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Many (stupid) people still think "newer" and "bigger" in the outer ring suburbia is better.
Fixed it for you!
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:19 AM
 
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True, but upstate NY loses a huge quantity of younger educated workers to other states. NY still ranks in the top five when it comes to population out-migration. NYC is the engine that drives growth and upstate NY still faces a high tax burden relative to lower wages and a more severe regulatory climate compared to other states.
Exactly the reason I left NY

High taxes and not much to show for it with the dysfunctional government up there

Many of my friends, family and their families have moved either South or West which seems to be the overall trend


Also, since global warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon, shouldn't people be moving at some point to those upper midwest regions since they will not be affected by the rise of oceans the way the growing coasts will?
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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Middle America looks as if it should practically be empty.

You mean the Great Plains areas that are all blue? It's almost always been pretty empty!

Cold and hot weather, and not a lot of steady precipitation in many areas. Never been a lot of cities in that area.


http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ima...n_2005_lrg.jpg

From the mountains east to where the Gulf of Mexico starts influencing the climate it's pretty sparse. Things pick up quick as far as urban and rural populations when you hit the line from Minneapolis to Omaha, Witchita, Oklahoma City, Dallas, San Antonio.
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