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Old 10-09-2009, 02:09 AM
 
Location: Fresno
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I had done some research before on the history of San Francisco, when I came across this interesting tidbit of information. During the gold rush, San Francisco had an 1850 population of approx 35,000 people and an 1856 population of approx 50,000. In 1856, there was a Sacramento newspaper claimed that there had been 1,400 murders in San Francisco during the past six years.

That works out to roughly 233 murders a year. I understand these are unofficial numbers, but if that's true, that works out to a murder rate of between 466 murders per 100,000 to 665 murders per 100,000.

Again, I know these are unofficial numbers, but was there anything comparable to these shocking murder rates anywhere in this nation's history?
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:45 AM
 
Location: New England & The Maritimes
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****, thats worse than detroit
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:53 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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In the 1950s the Waorani/Huaorani of Ecuador were apparently going through a difficult cultural transition so were reported to be the most murderous tribe in the world for that decade. One source indicates 60% of their deaths, in that period, were murders.

Professor Compares a Violent Tribe to Gangs - Los Angeles Times

However that's not the US. Hmm maybe some boomtowns in Kansas or Arizona would have been similar to what you cite. I think they were deemed to be pretty wild.
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Old 10-09-2009, 08:30 AM
 
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In 1991 Englewood in Chicago had 81 murders in 4 months (Jan-April). For a population of 40,000, that's a rate of 202. I'd imagine it must have been 400-500 by year's end. There could've been some west side neighborhoods that were worse though. And I'd be willing to bet the murder rates in some housing projects were off the charts too.

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Old 10-09-2009, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Fresno
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In 1991 Englewood in Chicago had 81 murders in 4 months (Jan-April). For a population of 40,000, that's a rate of 202. I'd imagine it must have been 400-500 by year's end. There could've been some west side neighborhoods that were worse though. And I'd be willing to bet the murder rates in some housing projects were off the charts too.
Wow! That's insane. Do you know how many square miles Englewood is?
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:09 PM
 
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3.1 sq miles.
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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In 1991 Englewood in Chicago had 81 murders in 4 months (Jan-April). For a population of 40,000, that's a rate of 202. I'd imagine it must have been 400-500 by year's end. There could've been some west side neighborhoods that were worse though. And I'd be willing to bet the murder rates in some housing projects were off the charts too.
Yeah, 1991 saw the homicide rate reach it's highest ever (except make some crazy time back in the 1800's).

It peaked for the city in 1991 at 34/100,000. It's since then gone down to around 15-16/100,000 for the past 5 years.

I'm not sure if Englewood would have gotten up to 500 murders in 1991 though. That would have been well over half the murders for the city within one neighborhood that had 1.4% of the city's population.
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: NC/IL/MI
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i think he meant murder rate though
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Old 10-09-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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Yeah, 1991 saw the homicide rate reach it's highest ever (except make some crazy time back in the 1800's).

It peaked for the city in 1991 at 34/100,000. It's since then gone down to around 15-16/100,000 for the past 5 years.

I'm not sure if Englewood would have gotten up to 500 murders in 1991 though. That would have been well over half the murders for the city within one neighborhood that had 1.4% of the city's population.
Sorry for not being more clear. I just meant the rate for Englewood may have gotten to 400 or 500 per 100k.
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Old 10-09-2009, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island/NYC
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Sorry for not being more clear. I just meant the rate for Englewood may have gotten to 400 or 500 per 100k.


I can't even say anything, that's 3-5 times worse than Juarez.
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