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Old 10-09-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Stupidest town on Earth - Yanceyville,NC
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Your opinions here, I think it starts out by havin a troublemaker into a peaceful neighborhood and then it'll eventually multiply into more troublemakers. But I wonder, is there really a way to get rid of em' in certain if not all cities in the U.S.?

I tend to go watching trains but now I can't enjoy it anymore b/c it's in ghetto areas. I'm black and I get stared down at. It's sad and sickenning.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:15 PM
 
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I think a neighborhood starts to go "bad" when the responsible, law-abiding citizens begin to give up on the area and move away. This is usually due to rising crime...then the domino effect begins...
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:26 PM
 
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There are a lot of gangs that are being forced out of the larger cities and now they're showing up in smaller towns with populations under 5,000.

If I was President (not that I'm ever planning to be) I'd mandate a law that if a gang member is arrested for a crime their sentence wouldn't be jail, it'd be to serve on the front line of whatever conflict we may be in at that time.

Anyone convicted of murder, rape, crimes against a child, hard-core drug dealing, or gang activity should be made to fight on the front line. I guarantee they'd beg to be back in prison.

The best thing that you can do to help clean up crime in your area are to form a citizens watch group, and get involved with the police dept. neighborhood watch. They actually come out to your group gathering and teach you what you need to know.

If you find buildings, houses, fences, train cars, etc., that are covered in gang graffiti, paint over it in a solid color to remove it.

I don't think you can ever remove crime from an area 100% but every little bit that someone's willing to do, will always go a long way to create a more positive outcome for those living in the area.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:29 PM
 
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If I was President (not that I'm ever planning to be) I'd mandate a law that if a gang member is arrested for a crime their sentence wouldn't be jail, it'd be to serve on the front line of whatever conflict we may be in at that time.

Anyone convicted of murder, rape, crimes against a child, hard-core drug dealing, or gang activity should be made to fight on the front line. I guarantee they'd beg to be back in prison.
What makes you think that criminals and gang members would be effective soldiers? I think the very characteristics that make good soldiers - discipline, respect, loyalty, etc - are many of the ones that are glaringly absent from these people. It would be a good move to put a scare in somebody, but it certainly wouldn't be good for our military.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island/NYC
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What makes you think that criminals and gang members would be effective soldiers? I think the very characteristics that make good soldiers - discipline, respect, loyalty, etc - are many of the ones that are glaringly absent from these people. It would be a good move to put a scare in somebody, but it certainly wouldn't be good for our military.
Some criminals and gang members could shoot well and a lot don't have a problem killing someone, its the sad truth, I feel this would be more effective for someone with a long sentence, a life sentence or death row though, maybe they could lessen their sentence for serving.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:34 PM
 
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Military builds character. That's the whole point. If you put some deviant in the military, the drill sgt's will straighten them out in a hurry.

Most of them end up in gangs, and criminals because they've never had proper guidance in life or just have an attitude that the world owes them everything because they exist.

I'm not saying they should be out there fighting with the regular military guys. Oh no. Quite the opposite. They should be in a platoon unto themselves. Think escape from LA
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:38 PM
 
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I think a neighborhood starts to go "bad" when the responsible, law-abiding citizens begin to give up on the area and move away. This is usually due to rising crime...then the domino effect begins...

Agreed

Haven't seen any studies or survey's but I think you're dead on

There's a crime which gets over exposed in the media or crime rates ticks up a small notch, the law abiding citizens get concerned and move out.

I think a "bad" neighborhood may start when there is a particularly violent crime which gets a lot of media coverage in the local area.
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Old 10-10-2009, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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What makes you think that criminals and gang members would be effective soldiers? I think the very characteristics that make good soldiers - discipline, respect, loyalty, etc - are many of the ones that are glaringly absent from these people. It would be a good move to put a scare in somebody, but it certainly wouldn't be good for our military.
Gang members have fierce loyalty to their gangs and a huge amount of respect for those within the gang of higher authority than themselves. Mostly out of fear, of course, but boot camp could change that. As Eddie said, military builds character - it teaches discipline and respect, for the right reasons.

My husband thinks the UK should bring back the National Service because it would whip a lot of the juvenile delinquents into worthy citizens. And why do you think there are boot camp centers for parents to send their misbehaving teen boys to? I also saw a documentary on a juvenile correctional center which was a last-hope effort for teens who would have normally been sent to an adult prison. Instead, they have one last chance to go to this center and basically endure a military boot camp, followed by education, therapy, etc. It has saved many teenagers from being thrown to the wolves in an adult jail. I think it may have been this: Colorado's Youth Offender System offers juveniles a "second last chance." | Corrections Today Newspaper | Find Articles at BNET

I strongly support the idea that these kinds of correctional methods could also work on adults. There is a ton evidence to support the idea that boot camp can absolutely change a delinquent or even criminal into a law abiding citizen with value and decent qualities. I can't speak for Eddie but I'm talking about putting criminals through a system that would, in most cases, turn them into worthy soliders or citizens. A form of rehablitation, not publishment.
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Old 10-10-2009, 05:21 AM
 
Location: 95468
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Your opinions here, I think it starts out by havin a troublemaker into a peaceful neighborhood and then it'll eventually multiply into more troublemakers. But I wonder, is there really a way to get rid of em' in certain if not all cities in the U.S.?

I tend to go watching trains but now I can't enjoy it anymore b/c it's in ghetto areas. I'm black and I get stared down at. It's sad and sickenning.
I have heard of several cases where a single person has terrorised whole neighborhoods. If the guy is smart about it not much can be done. In one case the bad guy ended up dead . (I hope I'm not remembering some TV show)
Calling police or getting a TRO will put you in even more danger with the wrong people. Moving is sometimes the only option for many.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your hobby. I have trains in my neighborhood. Your invited and won't be bothered here.
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Old 10-10-2009, 05:33 AM
 
Location: 95468
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What makes you think that criminals and gang members would be effective soldiers? I think the very characteristics that make good soldiers - discipline, respect, loyalty, etc - are many of the ones that are glaringly absent from these people. It would be a good move to put a scare in somebody, but it certainly wouldn't be good for our military.
But they could be used in clearing for mine fields with their feet, dismanteling IUDs, or be used as ambush detectors. Nothing that requires a gun.
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