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Old 10-12-2009, 03:44 AM
 
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Where would you place the northern boundaries of the Sun Belt? For instance, some claim Oklahoma City is part of the Sun Belt; others would place OKC in some other category. Some would say the SF Bay area qualifies as a northern pole of the Sun Belt - but even if it doesn't, how much further south is the boundary? What about Fresno, for instance? How about southern Virginia?

Note - this is not a thread about the merits of particular areas (that would be city v. city), but simply about the extent of the Sun Belt.
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:56 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Isn't SF rather cloudy and cool to be in something called "The Sunbelt"? Or is the cloudiness/fogginess of SF a myth? Granted Wikipedia seems to list it as Sun Belt, but I don't totally trust them. (I've been a Wikipedian for 4 years or so BTW) Although they also say the 37th parallel could be a border for it and in that case SF would be a bit too far North. If you stop at the 37th you don't do anything more Northerly than Oklahoma/Kansas border if I'm reading it right.
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Old 10-12-2009, 08:07 AM
 
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Here is a map of the sunbelt:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...g_Sun_Belt.png
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Isn't SF rather cloudy and cool to be in something called "The Sunbelt"? Or is the cloudiness/fogginess of SF a myth? Granted Wikipedia seems to list it as Sun Belt, but I don't totally trust them. (I've been a Wikipedian for 4 years or so BTW) Although they also say the 37th parallel could be a border for it and in that case SF would be a bit too far North. If you stop at the 37th you don't do anything more Northerly than Oklahoma/Kansas border if I'm reading it right.
it gets fog and cloudy but it isn't like that all day, it usually burns off... esp not the bay area, maybe west SF...not if you are inland like marin/sonoma/oakland/san jose.. otherwise it is sunny coastal california, mediterannean climate, you know, wine region (and most of that is north of sf...). only 800k out of the 7million in the metro actually live IN sf proper...
Where I'm at it rained *one* time from may to october this year...otherwise it is clear with not a single cloud in the sky pretty much everyday.

Just to use San Jose for a weather example which is the largest populated city out here only gets 15 inches of precipitation a year.

"San Jose and its suburbs experience over 300 days a year of full or significant sunshine. Rain occurs primarily in the months from October through April or May, with hardly any rainfall from June through September. During the winter, hillsides and fields turn green with grasses and vegetation, although deciduous trees are bare; with the coming of the annual summer dry period, the vegetation dies and dries, giving the hills a golden cover, which also provides fuel for frequent grass fires."

Yearly average highs... Jan-Dec

59
(15) 64
(18) 67
(19) 72
(22) 77
(25) 82
(28) 84
(29) 84
(29) 81
(27) 74
(23) 65
(18) 59

I certainly wouldn't live here if I thought the weather was drab...Saying it was like midwest and northeast areas and not in the sunbelt would be a joke at best.



I lived in FL for 20 years and it is certainly sunnier weather here than there...

As far as it being included in the sunbelt for migration terms ...not so sure. SF Bay was well established before the "sunbelt" term came into effect around the 70s.

As far as sun belt metros... looked it up and this is what came up... so, I guess most consider it sunbelt


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Old 10-12-2009, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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I think that runs too far north. It gets cold and snow in the northern parts of that map
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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I think that runs too far north. It gets cold and snow in the northern parts of that map
It gets cold in Atlanta...and even snows sometimes, although I doubt too many people would argue that Atlanta isn't in the "sunbelt". I guess the sun can shine where it's cold and snowy too.
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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It gets cold in Atlanta...and even snows sometimes, although I doubt too many people would argue that Atlanta isn't in the "sunbelt". I guess the sun can shine where it's cold and snowy too.
Living in FL and going to ATL a few times for new years, I always thought it was pretty cold... Until I lived in Chicago ...To say they are not even close as far as winters go is an understatement...
I would classify ATL as sunbelt for sure, not called Hotlanta for no reason...
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:45 PM
 
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That's a good map.

We are at the northern edge of it here in SF.

We definitely had a strong Sun Belt vibe going here during the 1980s, most especially in the SF burbs.

But with all the more recent problems, we now feel more like the Rust Belt with palms and eucalyptus.
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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Living in FL and going to ATL a few times for new years, I always thought it was pretty cold... Until I lived in Chicago ...To say they are not even close as far as winters go is an understatement...
I would classify ATL as sunbelt for sure, not called Hotlanta for no reason...
Oh, I wasn't trying to say that Atlanta is anywhere near as cold as somewhere like Chicago...it's not even close. But the average low in January is 33, and the record low is -8. That is pretty cold weather - unless it's compared to Buffalo.

Piedmont Park in the snow!
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan
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I have always laughed at people saying D.C. was part of the sun belt. Some of these people are from the south as well when talking about Hockey and the regions.
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