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Old 03-31-2010, 06:17 AM
 
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I'm a young black male living in Southern California. It seems like everyone I've known or grew up with has moved to the old school South. Now my views about the South isn't positive, just anywhere outside the West. It would be cool if all my old friends returned to LA. Be like old times.

What is it about the South that attracts blacks and probably other Americans to the region?
Perhaps the warmth and the large proportions of Blacks there?

 
Old 04-01-2010, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Carrboro and Concord, NC
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I'm a young black male living in Southern California. It seems like everyone I've known or grew up with has moved to the old school South. Now my views about the South isn't positive, just anywhere outside the West. It would be cool if all my old friends returned to LA. Be like old times.

What is it about the South that attracts blacks and probably other Americans to the region?
Culture, heritage and history. I'm from North Carolina, a native - my extended family is in the NYC area, DC suburbs, Miami, and the Bay Area of CA. I've had the opportunity to move to those places. But being rooted is important to me. I'm really all about arts and culture - and jazz, blues, rock, country, bluegrass, and soul either started, or have very, very serious roots here. And the influence interactions between those things (between bluegrass and jazz, for example, where interconnections go back a long, long way) does tell one a lot about the ability of a certain kind of creative intellect to leap boundaries, and if that paradox was lost on most of the audiences of those varied forms of music, most of the artists were well aware of it.

Weather - I LOVE the weather in the South, the subtleties of it, like thunderstorms in the spring, and the hot summers. I would miss that if I were to run off to Minneapolis or Seattle.

Landscape - most of the South doesn't top other people's lists of the most dramatic scenery in America. There are places from one end of NC to the other that are jawdropping, if you actually look.

Economy - some of my many California relatives have moved back. The draw? RTP. The real estate crash wasn't nearly as bad here. Unemployment is high, but the economy in NC (at least - not necessarily true in other parts of the South) is eclectic enough that I can see plenty of resilience here. And the cost of living, relative to NY, CA or metro DC, is unbeatable. The cities (some of 'em) are sprawling in extremely wasteful ways, but they are optimistic places, filled with a lot of very energetic people.

Location - Some of the South is a LOT more accessible to the rest of the US than other places. NC is equidistant to NYC and South Florida, with DC, Philly and Atlanta in between. Taking a weekend to go somewhere else for a change of scenery is quick, easy, and cheap.

The South is a lot of different places. There's a lot of backwards, but there's also S Florida, Atlanta, Raleigh-Durham (shades of Silicon Valley, and the most Asian, and one of the most Latino, metros between DC and Houston), NoVA, and Asheville, each of which defy (or obliterate, in a few cases) most Southern stereotypes handily. I've been to or through 91 of the 100 counties in North Carolina (that includes living in Charlotte, Chapel Hill, and - for several years - in the Blue Ridge Mountains), and it's a great, great place to live.
 
Old 04-22-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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I'm a young black male living in Southern California. It seems like everyone I've known or grew up with has moved to the old school South. Now my views about the South isn't positive, just anywhere outside the West. It would be cool if all my old friends returned to LA. Be like old times.

What is it about the South that attracts blacks and probably other Americans to the region?
I think there is a quite contingent of those who previously lived there and moved back because their families are still there. That's a strong motivation for them. The family and local community support system, coupled with a lower cost of living is a definite draw there. And quiet as it's kept, we miss the family values in the South, because at heart we're conservatives.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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I'm a young black male living in Southern California. It seems like everyone I've known or grew up with has moved to the old school South. Now my views about the South isn't positive, just anywhere outside the West. It would be cool if all my old friends returned to LA. Be like old times.

What is it about the South that attracts blacks and probably other Americans to the region?
It's called stress free living my friend!! Or the good life!! It's cheap, fun, and everybody is nice, happy and friendly to a degree!!
 
Old 04-23-2010, 08:50 AM
 
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I'm a young black male living in Southern California. It seems like everyone I've known or grew up with has moved to the old school South. Now my views about the South isn't positive, just anywhere outside the West. It would be cool if all my old friends returned to LA. Be like old times.

What is it about the South that attracts blacks and probably other Americans to the region?
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Interesting comment. Why is the Northeast the best place for black people?

I guess I don't view the South as progressive...at least not politically. We can always count on that region of the country to vote the way the klan does, for the Conservative agenda. This despite so much black presence.
Who cares about your views, we are happy down south and our politicians are handing out benefits like the "Black Farmers" checks!! Wake up, what do you think is going on down south, it's called guilt from slavery,wake up or i might just lost you !!
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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It doesn't help matters that the Mexican Mafia is starting to do some "ethnic cleansing" by picking off any black they see, gang member or not.

@ Alexus

Associating all southerners with the Klan because the south votes conservative and so do some Klan members is silly. I doubt the Klan thinks very much of Bobby Jindal but all the other republicans seem to. And i'm saying this as a Democrat who despises conservatives (but who is starting to despise a lot of liberals after spending a couple of years hanging around central Austin and coming to CD). I swear, as much as people from other parts of the country like to brag about how much smarter they are than us southerners you would think their logic wouldn't be so skeletal.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 10:32 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Don't even bother responding to this guy, he's just a bigot.


Anyway, the reason I say the Northeast is the best is because down south it is still segregated. The northeast is segregated too, however, not by race but by class. There are a lot more professional blacks in the Northeast. Well I don't want to generalize a whole region but I can speak on the DC/MD/VA sector because that is where I am from.

Racism down here is institutionalized. Many people down here hold the same close-minded views as JMadison, the troll I quoted in this post.
The Northeast is still very segreageted racially too, and part of the reason is the emphasis on "multiculturalism" on the school/politic level rather than just letting it happen! I don't think about race or ethnicity but I just end up with friends of all colors, see?

In the DC area there are still specific "middle class black" areas which is strange since if a black person is able to move out of the city, why the need for a spcific "black middle class" or "black elite" area rather than just moving out to a good ol suburb? One town in Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts is known as a vacation spot for the "black elite", if a black person can afford Martha's Vineyard why not go to any beach there, why congregate on a specific black area? New York City is also very segregated though the younger generations are doing better.

As a person of Asian descent i've found the south and Texas more integrated than either the Northeast or California. I live in Maryland now and its not bad, I see more mixing/integration among the working class/blue collar folks than the upper echelons of Baltimore society. Also east Coast Jewish also tend to form exclusive cliques here, especially the ones originally from New York. The South is also attracting more people because its conservative policies create a business friendly environment that promotes growth and a good place for companies to relocate to. At the same time jobs are constantly being lost in the Northeast, and the Midwest as well, don't know about California. The South is much more affordable, and it does have better family values. See in the end black people are just like anyone else they move for the same reasons! I personally have not experienced much raciam anywhere except two incidents, one of them involving a black woman who didn't like my McCain sticker....I think its good that we've moved on and we should learn from the past but not live in it. Democrats like to promote ethnic divisions, people like Wright, Gates, ACORN, and radical pro-illegal groups buy into it when we are all really just Americans. Nobody wants to bring back slavery or Jim Crow anymore. I've seen stereotypical "rednecks" in small southern towns who have Confederate flags and are best friends with or even married to blacks and Hispanics.

Of course there are racial issues in the south, like there are everywhere, but what the liberal New York media portrays and especially what Hollywood portrays is exaggerated or totally false. Like that movie A Time to Kill is ESPECIALLY offensive and inaccurate, the book took place in 1970 and they changed the setting to today and didn't change anything else...well....
 
Old 04-24-2010, 01:12 AM
 
Location: metro ATL
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In the DC area there are still specific "middle class black" areas which is strange since if a black person is able to move out of the city, why the need for a spcific "black middle class" or "black elite" area rather than just moving out to a good ol suburb? One town in Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts is known as a vacation spot for the "black elite", if a black person can afford Martha's Vineyard why not go to any beach there, why congregate on a specific black area? New York City is also very segregated though the younger generations are doing better.
Probably because the desire to live amongst those you have a lot in common with both culturally and socioeconomically, especially in a country where race is still highly salient as much as we try to deny that it isn't, is more natural than many would care to admit. This is especially true given the history of self-sufficient, thriving Black communities in America which have had very short life spans due to being either burned to the ground or razed to make way for highways. For several reasons (most of which were racist/discriminatory in nature, or were rooted in such sentiment), those enclaves never had to chance to mature to become the launching pad for the creation of greater wealth for the larger community like they were for other ethnic minorities in this country. In other words, it's really not as simple as you're making it out to be. You asked "why," and here's your answer.

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The South is also attracting more people because its conservative policies create a business friendly environment that promotes growth and a good place for companies to relocate to. At the same time jobs are constantly being lost in the Northeast, and the Midwest as well, don't know about California.
As much as I love the South--it's my home, after all--the "business friendly" environment in many cases is nothing more than corporate welfare/socialism and simply can't continue forever. And in many cases, those businesses that relocate to the South have to import talent from other parts of the country. Basically, the South is where the North and Midwest was several decades ago in terms of economic development. Once population densities really start increasing in the Southern states, we'll see how long taxes remain low and how "business friendly" the climate remains.
 
Old 04-24-2010, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Soon to be Southlake, TX
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Interesting comment. Why is the Northeast the best place for black people?

I guess I don't view the South as progressive...at least not politically. We can always count on that region of the country to vote the way the klan does, for the Conservative agenda. This despite so much black presence.
Republicans are making the south the hot spot. Dallas, Atlanta, and Houston are booming... while Democratic states such as New York and California are broke. Democrats complain about Republicans, and yet so many of these liberals are moving down to these conservative states to for low taxes, a better quality of life, and booming cities.

Looks like the south is the most progressive now. People need to stop thinking Republicans are racist, as a Republican myself, I know for a fact I am not racist, I would love world peace, and I would love it if everybody could live well... but I have the common sense to comprehend that this is not possible, and that people need to work to reach their dreams, peace is not possible, and racism will always exist. My family was poor, and we made it, refusing any help from the government... no food stamps, no welfare, nothing... I went to school, my dad worked his butt off trying to spark the business, and my mom held the apartment together. With all that hard work living in poverty in Brooklyn... the business took off and is going strong. I do not feel bad for any poor American, food stamps or welfare.... I have seen how much people abuse food stamps and welfare here, and it angers me to see that my taxes are paying for junk food and drugs for these poor people I should supposedly feel bad for. It is people like my family who make this country successful, who even when poor would not accept help from the government because we believe in hard work to achieve our goals, we believe in making it ourselves.

Excuse me for writing all of that, but it is the truth, liberal ideas are just a cover up of the reality... to cover up the poor... to cover up racism... to cover up international relations... saying what they are doing is working, when it is boiling under the lid they put on it... because they do not see the reality of life in poverty and they do not see the reality of where their tax money really goes and how they can beat the system and use even food stamps to buy drugs.

I am sorry for this, but I feel as though I have had this sock in my mouth on this website for a while. I am sick of people taking every chance they get to bash Republicans, because I rarely see Republicans taking every chance they get to bash liberals... in every thread, and I know there are plenty of Republicans on here, it all begins with smart remarks from a liberal.

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Old 04-24-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: metro ATL
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Republicans are making the south the hot spot. Dallas, Atlanta, and Houston are booming... while Democratic states such as New York and California are broke. Democrats complain about Republicans, and yet so many of these liberals are moving down to these conservative states to for low taxes, a better quality of life, and booming cities.
But those cities themselves are islands of blue in a sea of red. Texas in particular is becoming purpler by the day.

It really is so much simpler than just a red state/blue state dichotomy. Each sort of state has its own share of problems to deal with.
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