Which of these do you see as one metro area? (live, beach)

[kcee510]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

Ahahaha, tourists make a city now? Is this what puts Las Vegas and Orlando above Boston and Chicago? Jesus christ...

No tourists don't make a city, that's not what I said. You said SJ was becoming more powerfull than SF and I agree that on a tech industry level that is very true but SJ lacks in everything else compared to SF.

Edit// By mistake I put do instead of don't, fixed it.

[kcee510]

Originally Posted by grapico

lol...
they aren't are they?

note to self, please memo the sf 49ers and tell them not to move to santa clara...

Thank you! Can someone also explain to me why then the SF 49ers headquarters and practice facilities are located in Santa Clara (next to SJ) if it's not even considered in the same metro as SF?

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by kcee510

No tourists do make a city, that's not what I said. You said SJ was becoming more powerfull than SF and I agree that on a tech industry level that is very true but SJ lacks in everything else compared to SF.

What the ****? I didn't say that. Get your **** straight.

And besides, San Jose has its own arena, opera, ballet, symphony, night clubs, theaters and all that. Who cares if San Francisco's is all "world-class" (**** ****)? The point is that the cities are distinct in many senses.

Stick to sideshows and drooling over an orange bridge.

[kcee510]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

What the ****? I didn't say that. Get your **** straight.

And besides, San Jose has its own arena, opera, ballet, symphony, night clubs, theaters and all that. Who cares if San Francisco's is all "world-class" (**** ****)? The point is that the cities are distinct in many senses.

Stick to sideshows and drooling over an orange bridge.

My bad Machiavelli stated SJ was becoming more powerfull then SF...no need need to flip out. The cities are distinct in many ways just as Oakland is distinct from SF. However I believe SF,Oakland, and SJ are all one metro.

The news stations here cover all three cities as one metro

abc7news.com: San Francisco Bay Area Breaking News for San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose

San Francisco, Oakland & San Jose: Bay Area News, Weather & Traffic - KTVU California

KRON4.com - The Bay Area's News Station

[UrbanLover]

Originally Posted by kcee510

No tourists do make a city, that's not what I said. You said SJ was becoming more powerfull than SF and I agree that on a tech industry level that is very true but SJ lacks in everything else compared to SF.

The last time that I checked, the people who currently live in the city make it.

[kcee510]

Originally Posted by UrbanLover

The last time that I checked, the people who currently live in the city make it.

This is just not my day lol...I had an accounting miderterm at 9am so excuse the mistakes my brain is working in overdrive right now. It should say Tourists Don't make a city. Proof reading was never my strongest strength.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by the resident09

There may be some spots but, the Parkway may seem rural because its surrounded by trees, but thats because it is a designated US Park Service highway. No trucks allowed nor can highrise developments be built directly off it. There are in fact many suburban developments off each of the exits as soon as you bare off the highway. Laurel, Columbia/Ft Meade, Arundel Mills is one of the largest malls in the state with new apartments and townhomes being built around it (and maybe soon casinos), BWI airport and the hotel district surrounding it are all exits along the 20 mile stretch from 495 Beltway to 695 Beltway. Nonetheless in another 10-15 years the development will truly resemble that of one metro area when the BRAC re-alignment adds another 30,000 jobs in AA and Howard county.

I understand the facts about commuting patterns but many people commute from Howard and Anne Arundel county to work in Montgomery, Prince George's or DC. I know more people that live in Columbia who work and go out in the District than they do Baltimore. In fact when their friends from out of town come in, they tell them they live near DC although physically about 10-15 miles closer to Bmore.

Well I do see your point. But I still do not look at Baltimore and Washington as one MSA like I look at Dallas and Fort Worth.

[frsno1]

Originally Posted by UrbanLover

It does not mateer where someone is from.

It's clear that San Jose is a LONG commute away from San Fran, which is why it's included in the CSA and not the MSA.

This is my opinion and the government see it this way too. I am not the only one.

Since when is the government trustworthy lol

[Ben Around]

Originally Posted by aceplace

The rationale behind a MSA is travel and commute patterns. If people do not travel between two areas in sufficient numbers, then those two areas are not part of the same MSA, even if there is a continuous belt of suburban development between them. In that concept, a MSA is equivalent to our general concept of "city".

In the case of SF and San Jose, the local people are not willing to travel between them to the extent required, and that splits them into two independent regions. And they are, in fact, economically and socially independent. Both San Jose and SF-Oakland could survive if they were split and seperated.

The same thing seems to apply to both Washington and Baltimore. They are independent in terms of travel/commute, and have independent economies.

In the case of Dallas-Fort Worth, FW is integrated into the Dallas metro. WE know that because 30% of the local county commutes to jobs in Dallas county. Obviously, the local people believe that it is feasible to travel between Dallas county and and Tarrant county (Fort Worth) for entertainment and jobs. If Tarrant county (Fort Worth) were to be seperated from DFW metro and moved to another part of the state, its economy would collapse. 30% of its workforce would be unemployed.

This is the most intelligent post in the thread!

[Ben Around]

Originally Posted by AZLiam

They are definitely still two separate metro areas. There are about 80 miles between the actual cities. If you're going to include Austin/San Antonio, you might as well include Phoenix/Tucson (99 miles), but I certainly do not see Phoenix/Tucson as one (and hope they do stay separate).

OK, if we go down this road, then how about Niagara Falls-Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse-Utica-Rome-Schenectady-Albany-Troy-Springfield-Hartford-New Haven?