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Old 11-09-2009, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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A. Sometimes, you have a long-running show that is great because it has all the right pieces in place. The people, the history, great locale, etc. It's consistent.

B. Sometimes, you have a long-running show that has run its course. The people who made it great initially have moved along or have tired of it. You can create new energy with new people, and sometimes it will reinvent itself. Other times, the wrong people start running the show, and the show suffers or they run it into the ground.

C. Sometimes, you have a newer show that seems to be all the hype. People want to learn more about it. Everyone says it's the new "it" show. Sometimes it will grow into something lasting, sometimes it will fade. Other times it will grow to be so popular that it will surpass the popularity of other popular long-running shows.

D. Sometimes, you have a show that's sat in the background. It wasn't necessarily a "hyped" show, but it continued to lure more viewers slowly and surely, until one day it became a quite noticeable show.

Which cities do you believe fall into each of these categories?

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Old 11-09-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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A. NYC, Chicago, Boston, Minneapolis, DC, Denver

B. Detroit, Cleveland, New Orleans, St. Louis

C. Atlanta, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Charlotte

D. Tampa, Louisville, Nashville (arguably could be put in cat C), Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Denver (arguably a type "C" or "A" though)

These are all debatable though. I'm still trying to figure out Los Angeles and SF. Some people will argue that they are an "A" type, but you have plenty of former Californians who have moved elsewhere and are all too eager to point out California's economic issues in a sort of schadenfreude.

Category D was a bit hard for me because there are cities that are growing, but not at the hyped-up growth of the Category C cities. Tampa is fast growing, but it almost always seems to be overshadowed by the hype of South Florida and Orlando. Orlando and Las Vegas to me could arguably become Category "B" cities due to the overdependence of a service based economy and only depending on growth to fuel the economy rather than focus on diversifying the overall economy. Vegas has suffered quite a bit during the foreclosure crisis.

I'm still trying to figure out Denver. It has grown rapidly, but not as rapidly as the sunbelt cities. It gets a lot of hype, but it seems to be quite a "comfortable" place in many ways.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:42 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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A. New York
B. New Orleans
C. Atlanta
D. Houston
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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A. New York
B. New Orleans
C. Atlanta
D. Houston

Do you say "D" for Houston because yes, it's been growing pretty fast, but it doesn't seem to get the hype of Dallas, Atlanta or even Austin? I've always felt Houston has been under-the-radar.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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Do you say "D" for Houston because yes, it's been growing pretty fast, but it doesn't seem to get the hype of Dallas, Atlanta or even Austin? I've always felt Houston has been under-the-radar.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:31 PM
 
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Why does everyone say New Orleans for B? Do you believe it falls under the category of a city that will reinvent itself or be run into the ground?
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:36 PM
 
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Why does everyone say New Orleans for B? Do you believe it falls under the category of a city that will reinvent itself or be run into the ground?
New Orleans does actually have a chance to reinvent itself, but given the history of corruption and self-serving politicians in the area, who's to say? I certainly hope that New Orleans can reinvent itself, but I've always saw New Orleans as a city whose best days were long ago (it was once the Largest City in the South).
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:44 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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It's already been driven into the ground and is reinventing itself as we type.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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It's already been driven into the ground and is reinventing itself as we type.
Yeah, they have nowhere to go but up
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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New Orleans does actually have a chance to reinvent itself, but given the history of corruption and self-serving politicians in the area, who's to say? I certainly hope that New Orleans can reinvent itself, but I've always saw New Orleans as a city whose best days were long ago (it was once the Largest City in the South).
I'd disagree that New Orleans has nowhere to go but up, at least in terms of a tourist destination and historical city. It's still a very well preserved and culturally rich city, and Katrina luckily spared some of the most historic areas. As far as walkable, dynamic and tourist-friendly central cities go, as a destination, I'd say it's the best outside of the oft-cited large major cities (New York, San Francisco, Washington DC, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia). I think it's the only city in the south (not just the "deep south", but literally the whole south) that can compare. Places like LA and Miami simply don't have the same feel, they're more "suburban cities" as they've been coined on here. Orlando and Las Vegas are different types of tourist destinations and are also not comparable.

In terms of crime, I would agree. It's terrible. Actually, mostly in terms of murder...I think as far as other crimes go, it's still bad, but normally bad for an American city. But the murder rates are off the charts (FBI I believe made an estimate of 95 per 100 000 for 2008, the city's estimate was somewhere closer to 60 per 100 000). I think the vast majority of these murders have not victimised people outside of young poor black youth (particularly gang members), but I'm not sure how much this has impacted the rest of New Orleans. And from what I saw of Ray Nagin and reports of certain incidents involving NOPD, I can believe that the local authorities (both governmental and police) are quite corrupt.
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