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Old 11-16-2009, 09:41 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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did you guys forgot about 9/11? The armenian/greek/assyrian genocide that they killed over 1 million people!
The genocide you mention was more related to Turkish nationalism than Islam. The more recent genocide in Sudan is a better example of Muslim violence.

Muslims aren't monolithic. If we got a bunch of Sufis, Ismailis, and Ahmadis that might be pretty cool. Exempting Nigeria West African Islam is also usually pretty tolerant. (Granted a serious downside of West Africans is several of those cultures practice female circumcision) Also the Muslims of the Balkans and Turkey are semi-secular.

Of course there are also good people in most Muslim nations. However it is true that in the Arab peninsula and much North Africa antisemitism is almost universal. In polls and surveys most everyone from those areas holds a negative view of Jews. Although such attitudes are also common, if not as common, among Eastern European Christians. There are many states where the Jewish population is low enough that may not cause a problem, but I could maybe understand concern in the New York area about the most extremist of North Africans. Also Wahhabi and Salafi forms of Islam can be pretty severe.

Nevertheless I don't think there's reason to believe millions of Wahhabi are going to start flooding into our country. Also the Pew Research Center indicates our foreign-born population is 74% Christian and less than 2% Muslim. Almost half of the foreign-born are Catholic and Hindus are the most overrepresented.

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/re...-chapter-3.pdf
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:38 AM
 
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did you guys forgot about 9/11? The armenian/greek/assyrian genocide that they killed over 1 million people!
Whats a 9/11? did 7/11 get an upgrade?
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:52 AM
 
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Certainly it will not stop the republican party from playing yet another fear card.

True!


But you know what is really funny? Right-wing religious conservatives chastise the ACLU constantly for trying to uphold the Establishment clause, citing them as "anti-Christian", etc. As part of their argument, they inevitably argue (incorrectly) that constitutional rights should be at the whim of the majority, and by majority, they mean themselves.

I wonder if any of them realize just what they are trying to do. If they got their way, then when there is a local Muslim majority, what do you think is going to happen?

I think a lot of blowhard fundamentalists will be changing their tune and sending money to the ACLU.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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True!


But you know what is really funny? Right-wing religious conservatives chastise the ACLU constantly for trying to uphold the Establishment clause, citing them as "anti-Christian", etc. As part of their argument, they inevitably argue (incorrectly) that constitutional rights should be at the whim of the majority, and by majority, they mean themselves.

I wonder if any of them realize just what they are trying to do. If they got their way, then when there is a local Muslim majority, what do you think is going to happen?

I think a lot of blowhard fundamentalists will be changing their tune and sending money to the ACLU.
Ask a gay person who wants to marry his/her partner about "constitutional rights being at the whim of the majority". It's the very same issue and one that the Christian Right uses as a basis for their political strategy.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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The constitutional amendments of the individual states have been decided by votes for, well maybe ever. Amendments of the US Constitution itself are decided by votes, albeit of the state legislatures. The Civil Rights Acts were voted on by the US Congress.

So barring the action of the US Supreme Court, yes states certainly have the right to vote on liberties that are not specifically protected in existing amendments. For example they vote on medical marijuana. That being said I can see an argument for requiring a super-majority, 60%+, to overturn a state Supreme Court. This would be more in-line with what it takes to make a Constitutional Amendment. However there might be reason to have the constitution of the individual states be more flexible than that of the US itself, hence I chose 60% rather than the two-thirds majority for US Constitutional Amendments.

Which is a bit off-topic for a discussion of Muslims in America. Although Muslim Americans generally disapprove of SSM as well.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:52 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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The constitutional amendments of the individual states have been decided by votes for, well maybe ever. Amendments of the US Constitution itself are decided by votes, albeit of the state legislatures. The Civil Rights Acts were voted on by the US Congress.

So barring the action of the US Supreme Court, yes states certainly have the right to vote on liberties that are not specifically protected in existing amendments. For example they vote on medical marijuana. That being said I can see an argument for requiring a super-majority, 60%+, to overturn a state Supreme Court. This would be more in-line with what it takes to make a Constitutional Amendment. However there might be reason to have the constitution of the individual states be more flexible than that of the US itself, hence I chose 60% rather than the two-thirds majority for US Constitutional Amendments.

Which is a bit off-topic for a discussion of Muslims in America. Although Muslim Americans generally disapprove of SSM as well.
Our country has a history of voting to EXPAND rights, not limit them.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Mayacama Mtns in CA
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Very interesting, and bears relevance to this thread:

FrontPage Magazine - What Islam Isn't (http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675 - broken link)
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:06 AM
 
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They are all over here on the Westside of Cleveland.. The majority seem to be Lebanese.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:12 AM
 
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Our country has a history of voting to EXPAND rights, not limit them.
18th Amendment. Anyway this is probably off-topic for Muslims in America, well except they don't drink alcohol.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:37 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Since few years ago, and past decade, the U.S. saw LARGE muslim immigrants growth. It has been said that by next few decades, Islam will take over North America and Europe.

For example in New York metropolitan area, we always see muslims all over the place now.
Well, somebody needs to replace the 61 million NEANDERTHALS here in the US who voted to reelect the village idiot.
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