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Old 11-14-2009, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Since few years ago, and past decade, the U.S. saw LARGE muslim immigrants growth. It has been said that by next few decades, Islam will take over North America and Europe.

For example in New York metropolitan area, we always see muslims all over the place now.
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Spain
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zOmG CaLL tHe PoLiCe!!!111111111111111111111111
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:29 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Most of America's Muslims are moderate and the US is not near any Muslim nation. We would need 30 million Muslims to pour in even to reach 10% and besides that I think I read Hinduism is growing faster in the US than Islam. India loves the US and Hindus rarely leave their faith. (In America it's easier to leave Islam if you want or to enter than leave)
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:34 PM
 
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Most of America's Muslims are moderate and the US is not near any Muslim nation. We would need 30 million Muslims to pour in even to reach 10% and besides that I think I read Hinduism is growing faster in the US than Islam. India loves the US and Hindus rarely leave their faith. (In America it's easier to leave Islam if you want or to enter than leave)
Muslims in the U.S. are much more inclined to assimilate, whereas in Europe they are very noticably separatist.
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington
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Muslims in the U.S. are much more inclined to assimilate, whereas in Europe they are very noticably separatist.
Agreed. Muslims here in the US, possibly due to the slower rate of immigration (than Europe), are indeed much more inclined to assimilate.

There has been a massive influx in many European areas with Muslim immigrants and this has caused many social problems and pillarization of society in places like the Netherlands. With a huge influx of people of the same culture, it's easier to stick to your own culture rather than have the pressure to fit in to the new culture.

You can see similar problems in parts of the US with Mexican immigrants, though there is somewhat more of a cultural cohesion between Hispanic Mexican immigrants and already established American citizens than between Europeans and Muslim immigrants. That said, I have heard that most Muslim immigrants to Europe are doing just fine in many places, despite publicized incidents in Malm, Sweden and church/mosque burnings in the Netherlands. Though I have heard that Sweden is estimated to be a majority Muslim country in a matter of decades... It will be interesting to see how it unfolds in Europe--in cultures not used to immigration or multiculturalism that have historically been very homogenous racially and ethnically.

Like children of immigrants to the US, children of immigrants to European countries are also much more likely to assimilate.
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:05 PM
 
Location: where my heart is
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It started in the 60s and wasn't due to immigration. Remember Malcom X? Black Muslims? Conversions.
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:32 PM
 
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The Baha'i might be more like Islam than the Nation of Islam is. Still I think they are counted as Muslims. Also they didn't start in the 1960s. The original Nation of Islam ended up being led by Warith Deen Muhammad and changed its name to "American Society of Muslims." Under this name they have abandoned most or all unorthodox notions and have become a conventional Muslim group that allows people of all races. The original NoI dates to 1930. The re-constituted NoI, led by Farrakhan, is generally seen in the media as the "true descendant" of the NoI. Part of this might simply be because they maintained the name, but they also kept the original groups beliefs on race, divinity, and extraterrestrials. The reconstituted NoI dates from 1978. Farrakhan was a calypso singer who joined the original NoI in the 1950s and I think that's the decade they first became important.
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:35 PM
 
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The Baha'i might be more like Islam than the Nation of Islam is. Still I think they are counted as Muslims. Also they didn't start in the 1960s. The original Nation of Islam ended up being led by Warith Deen Muhammad and changed its name to "American Society of Muslims." Under this name they have abandoned most or all unorthodox notions and have become a conventional Muslim group that allows people of all races. The original NoI dates to 1930. The re-constituted NoI, led by Farrakhan, is generally seen in the media as the "true descendant" of the NoI. Part of this might simply be because they maintained the name, but they also kept the original groups beliefs on race, divinity, and extraterrestrials. The reconstituted NoI dates from 1978. Farrakhan was a calypso singer who joined the original NoI in the 1950s and I think that's the decade they first became important.
Well done.
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:41 PM
 
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Thanks. I was worried it sounded condescending or snotty. If some do think it sounds that way, apologies. I can get a bit professorial at times. To the others, glad you liked it.
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:59 PM
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Location: Oakland
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^count me in as one who liked it.
It's nice seeing real informative posts on here now and then rater than the same old subjective, knee-jerk, uneducated crap we tend to get (such as this thread )
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