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Old 01-12-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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It's no surprise that Bush, like Hoover (another republican) caused all this trouble. Having Mccain as a president is like having bush for 12 years.
Yeh. Bush was just sitting in the White House pressing the magic button marked BAD ECONOMY. Of course you are conveniently forgetting the fact that we have a CONGRESS and LOBBYISTS that hold the real power. And Main Street itself bears a huge responsibility by not living within its means. Blaming Bush is irrational and unfair, and is like blaming the rooster for the sun coming up.
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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^^ Now you're on the trolley! Obama is to blame for everything bad that has ever happened!

Let's not blame the guy who made the mess, just the one who's trying to clean it up!
Every administration cleans up messes from the previous...
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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That cute little list of yours is very untrue. Arizona ranks as the 'dumbest' state--50th in education in ACT/SAT scores, graduation rates and dollars spent per pupil.
I would like to see your criteria for the that 'dumbest' list, and please quit grabbing at straws to try to make AZ look bad. We know you hate it. BTW, AZ is not 50th in ACT/SAT scores. I really wish people who hate AZ would just get the heck out. The state may move up a few notches in many categories.
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Old 01-12-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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The following index does place Arizona as the least educated.
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However in terms of bachelor's degree or higher it's not so low. Instead the bottom twelve are Maine, Idaho, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Arkansas, and West Virginia. Three of these went for Obama, although only one of them went for Kerry. The top ten highest are all "Obama states" although Virginia and Colorado had went for Bush twice.

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Judging instead by those with a high school diploma or greater the bottom twelve are majority "Red States" but not quite so large a majority. That bottom twelve includes the blue states of California, New Mexico, and Rhode Island. In this measure five of the top ten states are "Red States." (Alaska, Utah, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Montana)

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My World Almanac seems to place Maine at the bottom for SAT and Mississippi at bottom for ACT, although some of this is maybe misleading as in some states few students take one or the other.

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Old 01-12-2010, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Long Beach, CA
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Interesting that 5 of the top 10 states have HUGE problems with illegal immigration. I wish our federal gov't would get a plan together on how to handle all types of immigration properly because its killing our states' finances.
Not only illegal immigration, but in the case of Florida, legal immigration via the Cuban Adjustment Act. It's fair to say that the southern tip of Florida is barely recognizable as a part of what was once the United States.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:29 PM
 
Location: OUTTA SIGHT!
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Yeh. Bush was just sitting in the White House pressing the magic button marked BAD ECONOMY. Of course you are conveniently forgetting the fact that we have a CONGRESS and LOBBYISTS that hold the real power. And Main Street itself bears a huge responsibility by not living within its means. Blaming Bush is irrational and unfair, and is like blaming the rooster for the sun coming up.
I believe the congress was held by Republicans during most of Bush's term, no?
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:57 AM
 
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I believe the congress was held by Republicans during most of Bush's term, no?
I believe the theory the person is referring to is that the 110th Congress is the one that wrecked the economy. That at that point Bush was weak and they "ran the show."

I'm not saying I believe it. I think the economic collapse had various factors and that at least some of them have little to do with the government at all. Still I think it's plausible they did little better at avoiding or realizing problems than Republicans had.
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