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Old 04-21-2010, 01:12 AM
 
Location: NYC, VA, JP
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Those were more of the early 90s poster childs of the most dangerous cities.

Newark is still rough but it's crime rate has been decreased a lot since back then. It's still in the top 25 most years though. Gary, Indiana is still as bad as it was back then, if not worse. They still have one of the highest murder rates in the country. I seriously doubt it's police force even reports the numbers right for the other crimes. If it was reported right it would easily be in the top 10.

G.I. has dropped MAADD low from the 90's. No way is it worse than it was.

1996
Violent Crime rate: 3,344.1
Murder: 89.6
Forcible rape: 159.4
Robbery: 605.0
Aggravated assault: 2,490.0


2006
Violent Crime rate: 711.5
Murder:48.3
Forcible rape: 61.4
Robbery: 338.1
Aggravated assault: 263.7


SMH. Those are some huge decreases. But i guess it's still bad, somewhat. Detroit and Flint are miles worse, and i don't even think they dropped from the 90's like Gary has.
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:38 AM
 
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Who would have believed Richmond, VA would ever be ranked 99th with a metro rank of 183? We should be shaking more hands here.
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Old 04-21-2010, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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G.I. has dropped MAADD low from the 90's. No way is it worse than it was.

1996
Violent Crime rate: 3,344.1
Murder: 89.6
Forcible rape: 159.4
Robbery: 605.0
Aggravated assault: 2,490.0


2006
Violent Crime rate: 711.5
Murder:48.3
Forcible rape: 61.4
Robbery: 338.1
Aggravated assault: 263.7


SMH. Those are some huge decreases. But i guess it's still bad, somewhat. Detroit and Flint are miles worse, and i don't even think they dropped from the 90's like Gary has.
Where did you get those numbers from?

In my experience Gary is not much better than it was back then, now Newark has improved a lot but it's still rough. Garys murder rate was 73.2/per 100k in 2007, so obviously the murder rate isn't consistently that lower than it was back then. Also, 48.3/per 100k is still a higher murder rate than Detroit. Keep in mind that the US average is 5/per 100k...

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Old 04-21-2010, 01:53 PM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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Garys murder rate was 71.2/per 100k in 2007

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Old 04-27-2010, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Jersey Boy living in Florida
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November 23rd, 2009

Most Dangerous Cities 2009 - WalletPop

1. Camden, NJ
2. St. Louis, MO
3. Oakland, CA
4. Detroit, MI
5. Flint, MI
6. New Orleans, LA
7. Birmingham, AL
8. Cleveland, OH
9. Jackson, MS
10. Memphis, TN
Glad not to see New York or Miami but damn c'mon Camden
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:41 AM
 
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Glad not to see New York or Miami but damn c'mon Camden
"Camden led the way in New Jersey with a decline from 55 to 33 homicides as of Dec. 21, a 40 percent reduction."

Camden murders down 40% in 2009, leading N.J. decline | Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/30/2009 (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20091230_Camden_murders_down_40__in_2009__leading_ N_J__decline.html - broken link)
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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I think there were 30 in Omaha last year. We have around 4 or 5 times the population of Camden, kinda strange.
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:26 PM
Status: "I hate living in Georgia!!" (set 17 days ago)
 
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Well we dont have what you would call a middle class area for blacks in Pgh IMHO....they are all intermingled among the whites. Im not middle class to tell you the truth Im border line poor but I make other sacrifices to live in a safer area to raise my son. I agree with some of your points but it just seems like everytime something bad happens here its ALWAYS in a black neighborhood. Most things seem to be drug related etc...but still its sad and annoying. We cant have black night clubs or bars because these idiots around here dont know how to act. They always want to shoot up the club or start fighting. I wish things were different but its been like this my entire life here.
Now you are starting to see what I am talking about. Most of the middle-class African-Americans are intermingled into predominantly White areas. Something else I have found. At least 40% of Pgh's African-American population is unemployed. That could be another factor. The only city in the USA with an African-American unemployment rate higher than that is Milwaukee, at almost 50%. In Atlanta, the middle and middle-upper class residents are moving there and living in their own neighborhoods, and keeping much of the crime out. Cascade Heights is a good example of this. There are Black night clubs in Atlanta. Some crazy stuff does go down in Atlanta. In fact, Atlanta was one of the murder capitals for a while. There has been alot of violence in the African-American community in Atlanta, probably in higher numbers than Pittsburgh. The difference I see is proportion. The middle-class population in Pgh is either living in the suburbs or in predominantly White neighborhoods. For this reason, there are not middle-class Black enclaves. Poor Black areas have more violence than middle-class Black areas. Statistically, Pgh has had a lower murder rate than Atlanta, until 2008. The way I see it, Atlanta has more murders, but it is more spread out, with the middle-class Black areas keeping much of the violence away from their neighborhoods. In Pgh, much of the crime in higher proportions in certain areas. My questions are this:

Why aren't middle to upper-class African-American neighborhoods suffering from high murder rates?
Why aren't as many violent crimes committed by African-Americans occurring in predominantly White areas in comparison to predominantly African-American areas?
Why do violent criminals who are African-American commit crimes against African-Americans in poor, predominantly Black areas?

Some good questions to ask.
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Old 04-29-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: NYC, VA, JP
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Where did you get those numbers from?

In my experience Gary is not much better than it was back then, now Newark has improved a lot but it's still rough. Garys murder rate was 73.2/per 100k in 2007, so obviously the murder rate isn't consistently that lower than it was back then. Also, 48.3/per 100k is still a higher murder rate than Detroit. Keep in mind that the US average is 5/per 100k...

Aiight. Well I know the murder rate hasn't really changed, which is sad. But violent crime is much more than just murder, and lookin' at the stats it's gotten a whole lot better though. Violence in Detroit is still worse, despite the higher murder rate. But it seems you've been there...So if you say it's still that bad, I'm gonna take your word for it, since i never been there. Don't plan on goin' neither.

And i got those stats from this site right here. Found it out from some other dude on here.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime and Justice Data Online
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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I think there were 30 in Omaha last year. We have around 4 or 5 times the population of Camden, kinda strange.
However, the metro area population of Omaha is 849,517 while the metro area population of Camden is 5,827,962
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