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View Poll Results: What is the best?
Wisconsin 36 46.15%
Minnesota 42 53.85%
Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-01-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: MN
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Obviously I voted for Wisconsin. I chose Wisconsin because it has a more diverse landscape and more medium-small sized metros scattered throughout the state. All of Minnesota seems to revolve around the Twin Cities metro, as they not only serve as the major metro for all of Minnesota, but also for the Dakotas and western Wisconsin.

Milwaukee, OTOH, only functions as the major city for the Southeastern Wisconsin region, not the entire state of Wisconsin. Most people outside of the Greater Milwaukee area, and even some within it (I'm looking at you Waukesha County), absolutely hate Milwaukee or at the very least don't go out of their way to come here. People in places like Rhinelander and Wausau rarely, if ever, venture down here for ball games, concerts, or other cultural activities. I think the people "Up North" probably say to themselves that if they're going to drive 2-3 hours to get to Milwaukee, they might as well drive an extra hour and just go to Chicago instead. If you want to get technical, Milwaukee is actually Wisconsin's 3rd largest metropolitan area, with Chicago and the Twin Cities being larger and also overlapping with the state of Wisconsin. Much the same way NYC and Philly are New Jersey's largest metropolitan areas.

In addition to the large metros of Milwaukee and Madison, Wisconsin is dotted with numerous medium-small metros like Appleton-Fox Valley, Oshkosh, Fond Du Lac, Green Bay, Manitowoc-Two Rivers, Sheboygan, West Bend, Port Washington, Janesville-Beloit, LaCrosse, Eau Claire-Chippewa Falls, Wausau, and Stevens Point-Wisconsin Rapids. It gives the state a more established feeling than much of Minnesota beyond the Twin Cities.

I agree, that's what I always thought was weird about the Two States...

MKE is bigger than MPLS...But the MPLS metro is bigger than any Metro in WI--not counting Chicago/TC

But.. WI has bigger-smaller cities than MN...

MN is pretty much the Twin Cities, Rochester, Duluth, Mankato, St. Cloud, Brainerd Lakes and Fargo-Moorhead.

WI has Milwaukee, Madison, and Green Bay, all of which are bigger metros than anything in MN outside the TC>
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:54 PM
 
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Wrong, look at the list.

Minneapolis - 387,000

St. Paul- 287,000 Not a suburb, it's own city with it's own history.
Rochester-105,000 2 hours way and not a suburb.
Bloomington-86,000 Biggest Suburb
Duluth-86,000 Not a suburb
Brooklyn Park-71,000
Plymouth- 70,000
Eagan-66,000
St. Cloud-65,000 Not a suburb, exurb at best.
Coon Rapids-63,000


Milwaukee - 605,000

Milwaukee's largest suburbs that are actually suburbs.
Kenosha 97,000 - exurb
Racine 82,000
West Allis 65,000
Waukesha 70,000
Wauwatosa 50,000

If the Twin Cities claim St.Cloud(65K) as a suburb then Milwaukee should be able to claim Kenosha(97K) as a suburb. Point being the Twin Cities have big suburbs but so does Milwaukee and the difference between the Twin Cities largest suburbs and Milwaukee largest suburbs is splitting hairs.
The Twin Cities just have a lot more suburbs not a lot more big suburbs.
Huh? I think you missed MY point: The OP's list of MN's biggest "cities" contains many suburbs. The OP's list of WI's biggest cities contains no suburbs. I didn't point this out to irritate anyone, it is just an observation.
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Old 12-02-2009, 08:57 AM
 
Location: MN
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LOL.

Duluth is extremely hilly and Superior is very "run down" and the lesser of the two...
Yeah, the two cities have a huge difference in topography; Duluth is hilly and rocky, Superior is built in a swamp and quite flat.

But anyways I like MN better because we don't have all the pokey Joe drivers and horizontal stoplights. And WI cops are notorious for handing out tickets.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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I think it is too close to call; at least IMHO.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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Minnesota has better high school hockey. By far...
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:06 PM
 
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Where did you come up with this figure?

Wisconsin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Wisconsin has many lakes of varied size; the state contains 11,188 square miles (28,980 km2) of water, more than all but three other states (Alaska, Michigan and Florida)."

If Alaska, Michigan, and Florida each has more shoreline than Wisconsin, then how can Minnesota possibly have more shoreline than California, Florida, and Hawaii combined?
Because the majority of the water in Wisconsin, as we've established, is in the middle of Lake Michigan and Lake Superior and thus does not contribute to the shoreline. Same with Michigan. Minnesota, however, has much more small, medium, and large size lakes entirely within the state that contribute to the shoreline. If you were going by coastline (meaning only on large bodies of water like the great lakes, oceans, seas, etc), then yes Wisconsin would have more. But just straight-up coastline, MN has the most.

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What about Superior, the city directly across the port from Duluth?
ummm... obviously you have never been to Superior...

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Old 12-03-2009, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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Minnesota has better high school hockey. By far...
Just so they can go play College for Wisconsin
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington
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Minnesoooota just seems to be so much more progressive than Wisconsin (though Madison intrigues me). And it's wilder.

Lakes shmakes and metro size shmetro shmize. I give the nod to MN.
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Old 12-04-2009, 09:15 AM
 
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I'd go with Wisconsin. Great small cities and towns and even some really nice bigger ones like Madison (very underrated), Green Bay (football mecca!) and also the nice sized metro of Milwaukee (great food, culture, beer, festivals). I love Minnie/St Paul alot and have been there numerous times. I think Minneapolis looks nicer than many cities in America. But outside of that, Minnesota seems isolated and boring. Also in SE Wisconsin you are in good proximity to "Wisconsin's largest strip mall" to the south (Chicago!)
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Because the majority of the water in Wisconsin, as we've established, is in the middle of Lake Michigan and Lake Superior and thus does not contribute to the shoreline. Same with Michigan. Minnesota, however, has much more small, medium, and large size lakes entirely within the state that contribute to the shoreline. If you were going by coastline (meaning only on large bodies of water like the great lakes, oceans, seas, etc), then yes Wisconsin would have more. But just straight-up coastline, MN has the most.
This is complete gibberish. How do the Great Lakes not contribute to the amount of shoreline in the state of Wisconsin? I guess that means Florida and Alaska can't count the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans as part of their shorelines either.

Minnesota claiming it has the most shoreline of any state is a very misleading statement, it's like Nebraska claiming to have the most miles of rivers. Because there are conditions under which that statement may be true, but for the most part it's not reflected in reality. The majority of rivers that run through Nebraska are tiny streams, so having the most tiny streams isn't nearly as impressive as being on a major river like the Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Illinois, or Wisconsin. Just like if we're going solely off of inland freshwater lakes, then Minnesota probably does have the most. However, here in reality, thousands of Wisconsin residents live right on or near the shores of both Lake Michigan and Lake Superior, while even more enjoy the lakes through activities like camping, boating, fishing, and swimming.
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