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View Poll Results: Which one is better to live and raise kids?
Boulder, colorado area 25 51.02%
Suburb of Portland, oregon. 24 48.98%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-20-2007, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Lakewood, CO
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Good for you. The job market is fine here in Denver and all along the Front Range--including Colorado Springs.

It's something you'll just have to learn--if you come here--but when you say 'Boulder' is means something entirely different than 'Denver' and it connotes an image of you that could be way off base. Boulder is a smaller city outside of Denver. While Boulder is geographically close to Denver--culturally it is a world away. The saying around here goes, "Boulder is 10 square miles surronded by reality." If you've never been there, visit and you'll see why.

Boulder is really a very odd city--it's especially odd when you consider that the surrounding areas are nothing like it at all! It's full of hippies, professors, granola-crunching rock-climbers, and students. Leave city limits and everything begins to change drastically.

Lafayette, Louisville, Broomfield are all growing quickly and I don't think your husband would have a terribly difficult time finding a job. Just stay out of Boulder and you'll love it here. Schools are decent, there's lots of family-friendly stuff to do, good atmosphere, etc.

West Linn is really a lovely area, too, in metro PDX. West Linn is a lot like Boulder--it's very much unlike the surrounding areas--except that West Linn is the cultural/political/lifestyle opposite of Boulder. lol.

I think metro Denver or West Linn would both be fine choices--it just depends on what sort of lifestyle you are exactly looking for and what you envision to be the ideal location for your family. Denver is VERY different from Portland in important ways. PDX is more of a west coast, laid back culture while Denver is a fundamentally Heartland/Midwestern city with a western flair. They are both interesting places...but very different.
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Old 05-20-2007, 07:37 PM
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I will repeat, decide for yourself. There ARE physicians who live in Boulder. Also RNs, PTs, etc. Not everyone likes the 'white bread' flavor of some of those suburbs. Louisville isn't exactly growing any more. It's pretty landlocked by other cities. Lafayette has a little new housing. Broomfield was growing like crazy a few (like 5) years ago; I think it may have slowed down.
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Old 05-20-2007, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I will repeat, decide for yourself. There ARE physicians who live in Boulder. Also RNs, PTs, etc. Not everyone likes the 'white bread' flavor of some of those suburbs. Louisville isn't exactly growing any more. It's pretty landlocked by other cities. Lafayette has a little new housing. Broomfield was growing like crazy a few (like 5) years ago; I think it may have slowed down.
Let's not forget that Boulder, too, is pretty white-bread, when you peal away the surface layer. According to the US Census, Boulder is 88.3% white. Boulder County as a whole is 92.9% white. I don't consider Boulder to be a very diverse place-- and their liberalism is not even the real thing. Funny thing is, Aurora, a frequently villified suburb which is very diverse, only 68.9% white, is part of the congressional district which elected Tom Tancredo to Congress. Aurora does not even have any pretentions whatsoever to being a hip, cool place with boutique shopping. And yet Aurora, unlike Boulder, has huge African-American, Hispanic, Korean, Vietnamese, Indian, Middle Eastern, and Russian communities-- real diversity, not phoney diversity. Politics, diversity, and the public image in Colorado is often totally opposite of what it seems.
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Old 05-20-2007, 09:24 PM
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I agree completely. That's why I don't think Boulder is out of the question. Or Aurora. I will say that Boulder looks different. It has a downtown, though there's not much you'd want to buy there. It has an in-town 'pedestrian' mall (29th St.) that is really kind of neat. It's not just houses and strip malls, but we have discussed that before, too. It does have its share, BTW.

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Old 05-21-2007, 11:12 PM
 
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I think they're both bad choices--and a lot of that has to do with the cultural environments prevailing in both cities. That's totally legit. I'm I were the OP I wouldn't even flinch: pick neither, choose Denver.
Yes, you could say that Portland and Boulder are more liberal cities but I would not over-generalize and group everyone from those cities as having the same views and opinions. Also, not all of the people living in the suburbs of Denver are extremely conservative either. In fact, I do not think I would be comfortable living in one of those extremely conservative suburbs in Denver either. A good blend between liberal and conservative suits me just fine.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:58 AM
 
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Yes, you could say that Portland and Boulder are more liberal cities but I would not over-generalize and group everyone from those cities as having the same views and opinions. Also, not all of the people living in the suburbs of Denver are extremely conservative either. In fact, I do not think I would be comfortable living in one of those extremely conservative suburbs in Denver either. A good blend between liberal and conservative suits me just fine.
You know, I hear this a lot. And, to be honest, it's just a namby-pamby way of avoiding making serious judgements about the merit of living in whatever city.

You're right that not everyone in Boulder is a flaming liberal or that everyone in metro Denver is a gun-toting right-winger. But generalizations are helpful and important in determining where to live.

Here's an example...

In Boulder, recently, there was a conference associated with the University and some speakers came to speak with kids in a high school in Boulder. The speaker was a big-time psychologist from Southern California and proceeded to tell these high schools kids that they should experiment with drugs and sex before marriage. He noted that that would be the 'healthier' choice--coming, of course, from a professional position. Well, an outcry ensued but the school officials didn't want to do anything about it because of 'free speech' and 'diversity of opinion.' That's the sort of thing you can expect in Boulder and Portland but not metro Denver.

In liberal cities that's the sort of stuff you get. Liberal cities elect liberal politicians, school officials, and certain lifestyles and ideas are more acceptable there than in places like Denver or wherever else. That speaker would have been run out of town in metro Denver and the school would have issued an immediate appology. In fact, we've had several instances of that happening in metro schools (Lakewood, Aurora) and they were major media events and both times the teacher/speaker was disciplined and villified for his 'radical' ideas.

In every city you cannot escape the prevailing ethos that shapes public policy and attitudes--no matter if you have a a few diverse opinions. I agree that a lot of people, like you, would want to live in a mixed city--neither too right or too left. But some folks want a conservative or liberal city. I'm only making the point that the OP will have to decide if the ideas espoused in Boulder and Portland would fit her and her family's values. Because if she is a church-going Republican she would have a much, much better time of things in Denver than Boulder or Portland.

I know conservatives in Boulder and Portland. And most of them are having a tough time and are considering moving to Denver or other areas. That, for me, says it all.
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Old 05-22-2007, 01:56 PM
 
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We are for sure more leaning to the conservative side in our family values. I do think that we would not be right in boulder, but more the lafayette, broomfield or niwot areas. In Portland we would be in West linn and I believe that has a much more conservative feel.

Thanks for all your opinions!
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:26 PM
 
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We are for sure more leaning to the conservative side in our family values. I do think that we would not be right in boulder, but more the lafayette, broomfield or niwot areas. In Portland we would be in West linn and I believe that has a much more conservative feel.

Thanks for all your opinions!
Okay. When you mentioned West Linn I figured you probably were a more conservative, traditional family. With that in mind, West Linn would work fine. But realize that West Linn is a diamond in the rough. Outside of Lake Oswego and Salem the Porland metro is, just, well, breathtakingly liberal.

I'm tellin' ya, I know it depends on your husband's job situation, but if you have the chance to come to Denver...do it! It is a right-leaning, family values, family-oriented sort of place and I am sure that you would love it. Niwot is okay--though it's sort of a rural, bedroom community for Boulder. Lafayette is okay too. I would probably choose Broomfield above the rest. It is growing by leaps and bounds with new developments and commercial stuff. Arvada, which isn't more than 30 minutes south of Boulder, feels a lot more like Denver--and it's more suburban--and that would be an excellent choice, too.

The neat thing about West Linn is that it is sort of nestled in the south Portland hills, it has a very woodsy feel, and it is a VERY nice area. That's what makes Portland so attractive, IMHO--the natural beauty and forested developments. You certainly won't get that in flat Denver. The Denver metro is pretty much flat as a pancake--though you do, of course, have the awesome Rockies just to your west. And Boulder itself sits literally right under them.

I think either choice would be a good one for you. I don't know where you're coming from, but if you're from somewhere in middle America I would probably direct you towards Denver. I grew up here and spent a year in Oregon and even though I was in a pretty nice, more right-leaning area it still felt a little weird coming from a place like Colorado. Colorado is definitely more 'middle America' and it's a very different place from the coasts. Consider that in your decision.
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Old 05-28-2007, 05:30 PM
 
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Default Thanks everyone!

Hi rawlings, thanks so much for all the responses. We are coming from Vegas. A City named ..Henderson. It is about 15 minutes from the strip and the crazyness!
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