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Old 12-23-2009, 01:12 AM
 
Location: Metro Atlanta & Savannah, GA - Corpus Christi, TX
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Yes, Puerto Ricans have U.S. citizenship. This is not really the issue though. There's a difference between what Puerto Rico is enjoying now, as commonwealth status, and what it would mean to the U.S. to add a 51st state. Yes, most Americans are uneducated about Puerto Rico (as well as Guam, the Virgin Islands, and many areas within the mainland, but that's beside the point), but then again, most probably still see Hawaii and Alaska as exotic, foreign places, so that's irrelevant. Puerto Rico is majority Spanish-speaking. The U.S. is an English-language nation. It would be a terrible decision to add Puerto Rico unless the U.S. desires to become like the Russian Federation, which comprises various linguistic groups and ethnic enclaves in Eurasia. Take a look at Chechnya. Don't vote for this, America.
Why can't we have a spanish speaking state? There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Spanish and English should be our nation's TWO main languages anyway.
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:09 AM
 
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Why can't we have a spanish speaking state? There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Spanish and English should be our nation's TWO main languages anyway.
Ugh.

No, they absolutely should not be. English should be declared the official and legal national language. Some states, like Oklahoma, are already making preparations to do this on the state level, but of course are facing bullying and intimidation from trash in Obama's administration.

There is something indeed wrong with it. Despite the extreme irrational PC culture of the 2000's, the United States is a European, English-language, Christian nation. Many are not content to sit back while some liberal idealists turn the country into a third world bordello.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:11 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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bad idea on New Mexico, I wouldnt want to be part of Mexico and I dont think anyone else would either, we would be our own country before anything else, we are different than any other state and like to keep it that way, we live in our own world.
I wasn't being entirely serious there. I was being a bit more serious on Vermont, but not all that serious even then.
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:24 AM
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Location: Queens, NY
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Ugh.

No, they absolutely should not be. English should be declared the official and legal national language. Some states, like Oklahoma, are already making preparations to do this on the state level, but of course are facing bullying and intimidation from trash in Obama's administration.

There is something indeed wrong with it. Despite the extreme irrational PC culture of the 2000's, the United States is a European, English-language, Christian nation. Many are not content to sit back while some liberal idealists turn the country into a third world bordello.
as a liberal (haha) i disagree.

pr's learn both english AND spanish in school from the start, something thats not done on the mainland. a lot of puerto ricans have a decent grasp on english, whereas a lot of mainland americans only have a grasp of the english language.

also, considering that hispanics will make up the majority in the next few decades, adding puerto rico as a state wouldnt be a bad idea, IMO. its not like the u.s. is a country full of english speaking only ppl. the u.s. is a salad bowl with more and more ingredients coming from or being of latin american decent.

also, there is no point in making any state english only. they are fighting the inevitable. i *still* don't see the backlash against hispanics (read: mexicans). ppl are worried for the wrong reasons, IMO.

what ppl should worry about when it comes to immigration are the ppl that hold h1b visas taking all the good jobs for lower pay. not the immigrant taking any small job to build his/her money.

the u.s. is in many ways and will be even more so in the future a hispanic nation, like it or not.

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It just doesn't make sense to consider making Puerto Rico a state. It's essentially a foreign land with radically different demographics, and most importantly, language, than the mainland. People can point to Hawaii as a similar case, but this is a historical case, and, as I pointed out earlier, a very different situation in terms of settlement of the islands. If we add Puerto Rico, we might as well add the Dominican Republic.

Americans don't want a Spanish-speaking state.
puerto rico is completely different than the dominican republic, tho. thats a really bad comparison.

the economy in pr is different, both the english language and the spanish language are widely spoken in pr (again, both are learned in school), pr's are already american citizens, pr's serve in our military, etc. etc.
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Metro Atlanta & Savannah, GA - Corpus Christi, TX
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I agree with Eek. We're just fighting the inevitable. This country was founded on the basis of freedom and the right to your own beliefs, etc. In the 1800's there were many people from Ireland who came to America looking for freedom. At first, the people who were already here thought of them as a plague... trying to take their jobs and space. As time passed, people learned to accept those people (even though they were different). This applies to the current wave of immigrants coming to America. We must learn to accept them because all of us at some point (at least our ancestors) were immigrants to this wonderful country and they deserve the same amount of respect as we do. We're all human.
They have just as much a right to speak spanish as we do our native language.

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There is something indeed wrong with it. Despite the extreme irrational PC culture of the 2000's, the United States is a European, English-language, Christian nation. Many are not content to sit back while some liberal idealists turn the country into a third world bordello.
In response to this close-minded post, NO, we are not just a European, English-language, Christian nation..... We are a mixed bag of people from ALL over the WORLD. Whether it be, European, Latin, Australian, Asian, Russian, etc.. We are NOT merely Christians, we are Jews, Muslims, etc. Anyway, you get the point. If you need an example, just take a short trip to New York City, or Chicago, or Los Angeles, or any other large city in America and you will see that we aren't just what you described above.


To the point, a simple difference in language shouldn't be the reason PR is NOT accepted in to statehood. That is ridiculous!
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:40 PM
 
Location: NJ Suburb of Philly (856)
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Puerto Rico is majority Spanish-speaking. The U.S. is an English-language nation. It would be a terrible decision to add Puerto Rico unless the U.S. desires to become like the Russian Federation, which comprises various linguistic groups and ethnic enclaves in Eurasia. Take a look at Chechnya. Don't vote for this, America.
The Southwest areas of the US were also Spanish speaking before the US made them states. The Garden State will indeed benefit from your departure.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Bucky Palace, London
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I was actually reading something a few nights ago about the possibility of the United Kingdom seceding from the bloated, corrupt, socialistic, and inefficient EU.

I think there would be more support for this in England than the rest of the UK, but we'll see after Brown gets the boot.
Can't EVER see this happening, not in my lifetime anyway. We are an island nation - we even have problems with seeing ourselves as Europeans, we just class ourselves as British (Scottish/Irish/Welsh/English). If they had a referendum to adopt the Euro I doubt that would get agreed, never mind a move to US rule.

A lot of people here already class this country as the 51st state but if it were ever put upon us I think there would be very strong opposition.

There's nothing anti-US here, we are island people. Doubt people who have never lived in an island nation will understand how it is.
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:32 PM
 
Location: New Mexico to Texas
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What are the feelings in NM toward Arizona?

no one here ever talks about AZ, it might as well be Wisconsin cause it is never mentioned.
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