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Old 01-26-2011, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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"Whah" do "ah" doubt that? <<Those are black pronunciations throughout the country, white pronunciations only in the South.

You are correct about Africans, Caribbeans, and some affluent African-Americans; all are exceptions to the rule.
You've never been to Minnesota (or any Upper Midwestern state sans Michigan), eh?
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:59 PM
 
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You've never been to Minnesota (or any Upper Midwestern state sans Michigan), eh?
I have been there, but as far as exposure to the black community there, not so much. I'll take your word for it.

But New York? Boston? I've been to those places, and I beg to differ with you. Even out west, the speech patterns usually diverge between black and white.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I've known a lot of black New Yorkers who, based on their accents, might as well be of Italian descent. Southern-sounding people (black or white) in New York are probably recent transplants from the south.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I have been there, but as far as exposure to the black community there, not so much. I'll take your word for it.

But New York? Boston? I've been to those places, and I beg to differ with you. Even out west, the speech patterns usually diverge between black and white.
As far as "out west" goes, it's a big place. Specifically, blacks from the Seattle area tend not to "sound black" (I'm not intending to be racist here). Plus, factors like education level, income, family ties, circle of friends all influence a person's accent. An affluent, college-educated person from the suburbs (black, white, Asian, whatever) will likely speak differently than a high-school dropout from the ghettos of Los Angeles.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:10 PM
 
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I've known a lot of black New Yorkers who, based on their accents, might as well be of Italian descent. Southern-sounding people (black or white) in New York are probably recent transplants from the south.
all the NY rappers say "ah" for "i" & I don't think they're all fresh out of the Carolinas
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I don't think rappers represent the average black person. I was speaking more of the educated, working types, not ghetto rappers. Plus, it's part of the "act" for rappers to sound southern because of the trend of "dirty south" rap being popular (at least it was a few years ago, I don't listen to much rap). Keith Urban, an Australian country singer, sings in a southern accent because it's what sells in the country music industry.
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:22 AM
 
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I don't think rappers represent the average black person. I was speaking more of the educated, working types, not ghetto rappers. Plus, it's part of the "act" for rappers to sound southern because of the trend of "dirty south" rap being popular (at least it was a few years ago, I don't listen to much rap). Keith Urban, an Australian country singer, sings in a southern accent because it's what sells in the country music industry.
Haha "dirty south" is not the reason for NY rappers' dialects, the two are sort of rivals I think. I did not know that about Keith Urban, that's crazy.
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Old 01-27-2011, 05:37 PM
 
Location: NC/IL/MI
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black new yorker accent is not identical to the General New York(NYC/long island/westchester) accent. Plenty of similarities but not identical
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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You can't use Chicago as an example of the entire nation. Many blacks from the northeast, especially New York and Boston, have deep roots in those cities and have accents identical to their white neighbors. Many black Minnesotans sound Minnesotan, especially those of recent African background. The Great Lakes area (Chicago, Michigan, Ohio, St. Louis, Upstate NY) is the exception, not the rule, and even there, you can find a few blacks speaking with the "white" accent (and vice versa).

As a whole, black people (Africans + African-Americans alike) in Minnesota definitely don't sound like white Minnesotans, even if there are elements of that accent in their speech.

There are plenty of born and raised (black) Minnesotans who sound like they have an undiluted Mississippi/Arkansas accent.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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^I agree.....in fact, I have almost never heard otherwise. I know Kazoopilot might, but that's relatively rare. Many folks in the Twin Cities are from Chicago, Gary, Detroit, etc.....so black folks sound like that for the most part.
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