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Old 12-30-2009, 11:47 PM
 
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Here's 4 in Florida that are more dense:

Miami Beach - 12,502 per sq mile
North Miami Beach - 8230 per sq mile
Miami - 6,558 per sq mile
Ft Lauderdale - 5100 per sq mile

There are others that are more dense but many are really small towns on slivers of land.
Sorry but where did you get that density number for Miami?
The city of Miami has a estimated 2008 population of 424,000 in 35 square miles giving it a estimated density of 12,114 per sq. mile.
Even using the 2000 Census numbers Miami still had a population density of over 10,000 per sq. mile!
Miami is one of the most densely populated cities in the US & probably the densest major city in the entire South!
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:52 PM
 
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Considering the fact the fact that Miami beach is only 7 sq. miles, I don't think it's fair to compare that to an actual city. More like a neighborhood.
Miami Beach is very much a real incorporated city with it's own Mayor, fire & police departments,etc. It is not a neighborhood but would you care to explain that reasoning please?
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach/Norfolk.
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One neighborhood of my city, Norfolk, Va, is about 7 sq. miles. The same as the "city' of Miami Beach. I was not talking about local governmental affairs.
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:04 AM
 
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^ you still aren't explaining how Miami Beach is not a city? It is a suburb of Miami, has a city charter from the State of Florida and was never part of Miami proper. Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not a independent city.
Neighborhoods & cities are apples & oranges.
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach/Norfolk.
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Westbank Nola, in case your interested, a found Norfolk's version of the Census' pop. density map you posted for NO.

Our most dense "block group" is 21,532.. most dense census tract is 12,833.. most dense zip code is 10,175.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet..._changeMap=pan
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:24 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Sorry but where did you get that density number for Miami?
The city of Miami has a estimated 2008 population of 424,000 in 35 square miles giving it a estimated density of 12,114 per sq. mile.
Even using the 2000 Census numbers Miami still had a population density of over 10,000 per sq. mile!
Miami is one of the most densely populated cities in the US & probably the densest major city in the entire South!
I pulled it down off of wikipedia. I went and checked it again and it appears that the data includes the almost 20 square miles of city limits that's actually water. So, you are correct, Miami is much denser.
My point was to answer cityboi's request to find southern cities that are more dense than Norfolk.
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:33 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Westbank Nola, in case your interested, a found Norfolk's version of the Census' pop. density map you posted for NO.

Our most dense "block group" is 21,532.. most dense census tract is 12,833.. most dense zip code is 10,175.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet..._changeMap=pan
Oh geeze....aren't we talking about entire cities here and NOT specially carved up sections of cities? Anyone can carve up their city to show data points that don't match their averages.
And, BTW, Miami Beach is very much its own city. Despite its small land size, it's home to about 90,000 people. As MiamiRob has said, it has its own fully functioning set of city services that support its full time residents, tens of thousands of seasonal residents and millions of annual visitors. It also has its own museums, performing arts venues and companies, convention center, marinas, etc.
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:03 AM
 
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My city has about 12,000/sq mile. My borough has about the same, and my zipcode has about 23,000/sq mile.

Amsterdam Oud Zuid - Museumkwartier.
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:05 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Westbank Nola, in case your interested, a found Norfolk's version of the Census' pop. density map you posted for NO.

Our most dense "block group" is 21,532.. most dense census tract is 12,833.. most dense zip code is 10,175.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet..._changeMap=pan
Yeah? well...my two square block island in Miami Beach has about 130 total floors of condominium units among 8 buildings varying from low rise to 25 floors, a spa/resort hotel, a few single family houses, an apartment complex and even a pretty large park in the center of it. There are probably 3000 people living here. I just did a rough estimate of the square mileage of the island. It's about 785,000 SF and there are 27,878,400 SF in a square mile. So, that's about .03 square mile. So, at an estimated 3000 people on the island, that gives my immediate neighborhood 99,000 people per square mile and we still have room for a dog park and hotel guests.
Enlarging the scope a bit...Zip Code 33139 is 2.3 square miles and has 38,441 residents (not counting part time residents) for an average of 16,713 per square mile. This 2.3 square miles includes all of the city's municipal buildings, the convention center, the Jackie Gleason Theater, the New World Symphony, The Colony Theater, countless hotels, restauraunts and nightclubs plus the all the retail & services needed to support us and our millions of visitors.
Even with the changing rules of how we are looking at this density issue, Miami Beach comes out denser.
Any questions?
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Old 12-31-2009, 03:52 AM
 
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I pulled it down off of wikipedia. I went and checked it again and it appears that the data includes the almost 20 square miles of city limits that's actually water. So, you are correct, Miami is much denser.
My point was to answer cityboi's request to find southern cities that are more dense than Norfolk.
ah ok so please forgive me but Wiki is not that all reliable! By the way the city of Miami under Mayor Manny Diaz did a independent report commisioned by a private consulting firm and they are now challenging the US Census saying they have under reported Miami's population for a while now. This consulting firm estimates that Miami has a population of roughly 480,000 people or higher.
I tend to agree because anybody who has ever been to Miami proper it looks like a very populated city and not one of 362,000 plus like the last Census did and thinks it does.
Under reporting by the Census has always been a issue for major cities especially with high immigrant populations.
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