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Old 09-26-2013, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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I was not alive back in the 1950's or 1960's but it seems like life back in the 1950's and 1960's was much better than life here in 2013.
There was a big argument about this on the retirement forum about a year ago. It was better for some but not at all for others. I would say it all depends upon who you are and where you grew up.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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There was a big argument about this on the retirement forum about a year ago. It was better for some but not at all for others. I would say it all depends upon who you are and where you grew up.

I wonder why it was cheaper back than ? Now you need two incomes ,big mortgages , big loans and big debt.And it is getting worse by the year.

Back than had almost full employment. Now some parts of US 10% cannot get jobs and other parts 15% or more cannot get jobs.In LA it is really bad.
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Old 10-12-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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technology has improved. every other aspect of quality of life has fallen dramatically. People graduating from high school without college have no chance in hell to even rent an apartment of their own. People wait years climbing the educational and career ladder just to make enough money to afford raising a kid only to find themselves so old their kids are born with mental defects... autism is through the roof. There is less family time, smaller homes, smaller cars, you can't park anywhere without getting a ticket, the taste and quality of food is worsening, gas and bus/train prices are up, most Americans retire into poverty and lose their homes. Back then you competed for work with your neighbor, today you're competing for a wage against millions of people in india and china, privacy is dead (email, gps), etc.... it is a god-aweful world we live in where human rights has taken a serious hit. but hey atleast I can tweet to all my friends about it...
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Old 10-12-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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technology has improved. every other aspect of quality of life has fallen dramatically. People graduating from high school without college have no chance in hell to even rent an apartment of their own. People wait years climbing the educational and career ladder just to make enough money to afford raising a kid only to find themselves so old their kids are born with mental defects... autism is through the roof. There is less family time, smaller homes, smaller cars, you can't park anywhere without getting a ticket, the taste and quality of food is worsening, gas and bus/train prices are up, most Americans retire into poverty and lose their homes. Back then you competed for work with your neighbor, today you're competing for a wage against millions of people in india and china, privacy is dead (email, gps), etc.... it is a god-aweful world we live in where human rights has taken a serious hit. but hey atleast I can tweet to all my friends about it...
Of course if you were a woman most of these sterling qualities of the 50's and 60's do not apply. If you wanted a good paying job, you were relegated to the women's side of the "help wanted" section of the classified ads of the newspaper. Your choices were limited no matter how smart you were. A woman CEO? Forgetaboutit. As a female or an African American or other minority you weren't even allowed to compete with your fellow countrymen. That to me is worse than trying to compete globally.

Education? How about quota systems or not being let into college at all? My pediatrician, a brilliant woman had to fight her way through med school because of all the prejudice against her. And bullying. She was the only woman who was tough enough to make it in her class. And when she graduated, she dearly wanted to go into some kind of higher level practice like heart specialization but those doors were closed. So she went into pediatrics because that was the only place during the 50's where a woman doctor would be accepted.

Kids died of polio in the 50's. Mental patients were locked away rather than given meds that could help them as they can today because those meds didn't exist then.

Sure some things were better, a lot of things, but not all. Just as some things are better today but not all. I think you had to live in all decades to judge but you had to also be a part of the crowd that did not benefit a great deal from living in the 50's to judge. For me, as a female growing up in the 50's and trying to make my way in the world in the 60's the opportunities were just nowhere near as great as they became later on for education, jobs and the quality of life for women and minorities in general.

The question needs to be asked not were things "better in the the 50's and 60's?" but needs to be qualified by asking "Better for whom?"
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Old 10-12-2013, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Pure Michigan!
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I didn't read the pages of replies here, but one thing that stands out to me, as a healthcare professional, is what medical technology looks like today as compared to then. How many people have survived deadly diseases like cancer today that would have died almost immediately back then? I am a dialysis nurse, and I see patients every day with chronic renal failure, whose kidneys haven't worked in years, that are able to have a fairly normal life and survive with their disease indefinitely. Back in the '50s, end stage renal failure was a death sentence. Even in the '60s hemodialysis was basically in its infancy and something only the wealthy could hope to have access to.

Look at modern childbirth and infant survival rates, as compared to the '50s and '60s. Anyone remember what Thalidomide, a poorly researched drug prescribed to pregnant women for morning sickness, did to their children, with babies being born without limbs, etc.?

Things were so much more primitive, and consumers were so much less educated about things like healthcare,
the dangers of smoking and drinking in excess, lack of exercise, and a fatty, low fiber diet. Heart attacks were like an epidemic, even more so than now, and a lot fewer people survived them.

I know that those times were better in a lot of ways, but let's not discount the wonderful things that we have today that were unheard of then. Life has never been perfect in any time period and never will be, because humans are imperfect creatures. We just do the best with the time that we are given, right?
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Old 07-31-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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Well most women of the 50's and 60's were the Best compared to today.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I didn't read the pages of replies here, but one thing that stands out to me, as a healthcare professional, is what medical technology looks like today as compared to then. How many people have survived deadly diseases like cancer today that would have died almost immediately back then? I am a dialysis nurse, and I see patients every day with chronic renal failure, whose kidneys haven't worked in years, that are able to have a fairly normal life and survive with their disease indefinitely. Back in the '50s, end stage renal failure was a death sentence. Even in the '60s hemodialysis was basically in its infancy and something only the wealthy could hope to have access to.

Look at modern childbirth and infant survival rates, as compared to the '50s and '60s. Anyone remember what Thalidomide, a poorly researched drug prescribed to pregnant women for morning sickness, did to their children, with babies being born without limbs, etc.?

Things were so much more primitive, and consumers were so much less educated about things like healthcare,
the dangers of smoking and drinking in excess, lack of exercise, and a fatty, low fiber diet. Heart attacks were like an epidemic, even more so than now, and a lot fewer people survived them.

I know that those times were better in a lot of ways, but let's not discount the wonderful things that we have today that were unheard of then. Life has never been perfect in any time period and never will be, because humans are imperfect creatures. We just do the best with the time that we are given, right?

When I think about modern morals and ethics, think about the condition some of this country is in and what seems to be steep decline of our society my instinct is to instantly say the 50s and 60s must be far better. However this post makes a very good point. There is no doubt a lot of people died of things in the 50s that are curable or treatable today. Medical technology has advanced so much that we now take it for granted. Even in the 70s and 80s a great more people died of things that are survivable today. There is no way to overestimate the value of these great medical advancements that allow people to survive cancer, survive AIDS and a host of other medical problems.
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Old 08-01-2015, 06:47 AM
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Location: Ontario
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When I think about modern morals and ethics, think about the condition some of this country is in and what seems to be steep decline of our society my instinct is to instantly say the 50s and 60s must be far better. However this post makes a very good point. There is no doubt a lot of people died of things in the 50s that are curable or treatable today. Medical technology has advanced so much that we now take it for granted. Even in the 70s and 80s a great more people died of things that are survivable today. There is no way to overestimate the value of these great medical advancements that allow people to survive cancer, survive AIDS and a host of other medical problems.
True.

But back in the 50s 60s there was no Aids, West Nile Virus , Lyme Disease, etc

Also people dressed better, better morals, more polite.
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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True.

But back in the 50s 60s there was no Aids, West Nile Virus , Lyme Disease, etc

Also people dressed better, better morals, more polite.
I don't think you are in any place to draw that conclusion, those things are all subjective.
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Old 08-01-2015, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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The female doctor who saved my life would have had a tough time getting into medical school back in the 50's. If by some chance she would have made it, she would have had been treated very badly while she was in school. If she had gotten her degree, she would have been relegated to specializing in either pediatrics or obstetrics and not pulmonary medicine for which she treated me.

I had a female pediatrician when I was a kid in the 50's who went through all the discriminatory treatment I described. This was her story. The pulmonary specialist who treated me for a rare lung disease attended med school in the 90's. After she graduated, she went into her chosen specialty without any problems.

Nothing remains static. Some changes can be perceived as better in the past some are better now. For women, opportunities are much better now than they ever were and that's a very good thing in most cases.
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