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Old 01-08-2010, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No one can say who will get the most this year, but NY is expected to have a few more million. Don't forget, the new Freedom tower is being built, and a lot of people are drawn to seeing that.
and there's also a lot of new attractions under way in Orlando too. But as of now 42 million visited NYC and 48 million visited Orlando. NYC was named the top destination by who knows what. But Orlando still gets more visitors

 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Answer

Vegas - Gambling
Orlando - Disneyworld and other parks
Atlanta - The convention capital of America

New York has held for the longest time the highest average room rate and the highest occupancy rate in the entire country. Before the recession the average nightly occupancy rate would top over 90% and room rate would be over $350 per night on average. Having worked in hotel management for over 10 years back in 90's and early 2000's I can state that this is insanely successful. If these others cities had rates this high they would be lucky to have 30% occupancy.
If New York had $79 a night room rate like the others how many more visitors would they have? The expense keeps many away. Also, land and construction cost in New York are very high. This keeps the supply down and the prices up. I hope this answers your question.
Pretty good answer, but not totally accurate.

All three of these cities share the title of "convention capital", along with Chicago & New Orleans.

Atlanta usually places at #3 or #4, with Vegas, Chicago & Orlando battling it out for the 1 -3 spots. New York really isn't a major player in the convention industry, despite the City desiring more of this business.

And yes, I am very aware of the the astronomical rates previously charged by NY hotels. Between the high union labor costs, an effective room rate tax of 21.75% and extremely high property & operating costs, NY really had no choice but to lower their rates last year, or occupancy would have really suffered.

The extremely high costs of staying overnight in NY really contribute to the massive amount of day trips to the City. I know many clients that go up and back on the same day to avoid these costs. And it's repeated daily by thousands of business travelers from most major markets East of the Mississippi.

As far as people flocking to the city to get a peek at the Freedom Tower, that is a real stretch, to say the least. Nobody is going to travel great distances for that.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Concrete jungle where dreams are made of.
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and there's also a lot of new attractions under way in Orlando too. But as of now 42 million visited NYC and 48 million visited Orlando. NYC was named the top destination by who knows what. But Orlando still gets more visitors

Where are you getting this from? The article says NYC got the most visitors, so why are you saying Orlando did??? You make no sense.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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and there's also a lot of new attractions under way in Orlando too. But as of now 42 million visited NYC and 48 million visited Orlando. NYC was named the top destination by who knows what. But Orlando still gets more visitors
Exactly.

There's a reason one of the very few new Waldorf Astoria's happens to be in Orlando.

Orlando is being extremely smart in growing their convention business to compete with much larger cities. It's gone from nowhere to top tier in less than 20 years. Pretty impressive for any city.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Concrete jungle where dreams are made of.
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Well where's the first Waldorf Astoria located, where did it all start?
 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Well where's the first Waldorf Astoria located, where did it all start?
Doesn't matter. The growth of the brand is in other very selected markets now.

It would seem you have a real problem with a little upstart like Orlando making serious inroads into an industry segment that NY is admittedly weak in.

It is a known fact that the union rules impossed on exhibitors by the Javitz Center does great damage to NY's convention industry. Not to mention the insane room rate tax of 21.75%. How else to explain the fact that the leading business center of the U.S. doesn't even crack the top tier of convention locations?

Top brands like Waldorf will continue to seek opportunity elsewhere, due to this and other reasons.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Concrete jungle where dreams are made of.
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^^You can give me all the numbers you want, but we're still the #1 tourist destination. The prices and the industry doesn't seem to matter to the tourists.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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^^You can give me all the numbers you want, but we're still the #1 tourist destination. The prices and the industry doesn't seem to matter to the tourists.
That's what happens when a huge chunk of your visitors are day-trippers. High hotel bills hardly matter when you live within a train ride or driving distance.

And the number 1 spot is going to be short-lived, due to the recession.

People coming in from just beyond the NY metro can technically be called tourists, that's how NY is #1 this year. Another reason why other much smaller cities have more hotel rooms, they have more overnight visitors.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Concrete jungle where dreams are made of.
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That's what happens when a huge chunk of your visitors are day-trippers. High hotel bills hardly matter when you live within a train ride or driving distance.

And the number 1 spot is going to be short-lived, due to the recession.

People coming in from just beyond the NY metro can technically be called tourists, that's how NY is #1 this year. Another reason why other much smaller cities have more hotel rooms, they have more overnight visitors.

I'm sure they base the number of visitors based on how many people are staying in the hotels. How would they be able to base that number on the cars driving in the city? Anyway, if you're a train ride away from the city, you aren't considered a tourist. You really like to nitpick these results. Just face it that NYC is the most popular destination in the country, and one of the biggest destinations in the world Sorry Atlanta doesn't get a lot of tourists.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I'm sure they base the number of visitors based on how many people are staying in the hotels. How would they be able to base that number on the cars driving in the city? Anyway, if you're a train ride away from the city, you aren't considered a tourist. You really like to nitpick these results. Just face it that NYC is the most popular destination in the country, and one of the biggest destinations in the world Sorry Atlanta doesn't get a lot of tourists.
You really should think twice before you comment on subjects you know absolutely nothing about.

They use formulas to come up with these figures. NY simply doesn't have the number of rooms to host this many people. As I have already mentioned, there are thousands of DAILY visitors that fly in and out. They're counted, but they don't stay overnight.

And sorry, but Atlanta hosts between 34 - 37 million overnight visitors per year, a figure MUCH more impressive than NY's per capita, given our size differences.

Funny that you would bring up Atlanta. Are you threatened by us now too?
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