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View Poll Results: Which time period was better?
the 80's & 90's 229 69.82%
the 00's/now 99 30.18%
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Old 05-21-2011, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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In 1998, I went to see the Wedding Singer with my dad, uncle, and brother in the theater. It took place in 1985, and was very, very nostalgic. Doing some simple math, I calculated that there was about a 13-year gap from when the movie was set until when it was released: I reckoned that an equivalent movie set in 1998 would have to be released in 2011.

Well, 2011 is here, and I know of no movie that is nostalgic for the late 90's. Although there are some 90's nostalgia radio stations online, they aren't nearly as numerous as all the 80's compilation CD's that started coming out around 1997, the 80's-themed radio stations, etc. - all the things with 80's themes. I don't think the 90's will ever be remembered as fondly as the 80's - nor do I the 90's.

What I've noticed is that since the 1890's, "nostalgic" decades come every 30 years. The 1890's is remembered as the "gay 90's"; the 1920's as the "roaring 20's" (while the 30's tends to be remembered as the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl, and the 40's as World War II); the 1950's needs no explanation (but the 60's are remembered as a decade of turbulent social change, the Vietnam War, which extended into the 1970's, which ended with the ignominious age of disco); the 1980's also needs no explanation. Regardless of whether these decades actually lived up to the hype, you can't deny that they have been immemorialized as golden ages (though the 1950's seems to have a bad rap around here). Interestingly, if this pattern continues, the 2010's will be a decade to be remembered nostalgically. So far, there seems to be nothing that suggests this decade will ever go down as one of the better ones, but it's only 14% over.
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Old 05-21-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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In 1998, I went to see the Wedding Singer with my dad, uncle, and brother in the theater. It took place in 1985, and was very, very nostalgic. Doing some simple math, I calculated that there was about a 13-year gap from when the movie was set until when it was released: I reckoned that an equivalent movie set in 1998 would have to be released in 2011.

Well, 2011 is here, and I know of no movie that is nostalgic for the late 90's. Although there are some 90's nostalgia radio stations online, they aren't nearly as numerous as all the 80's compilation CD's that started coming out around 1997, the 80's-themed radio stations, etc. - all the things with 80's themes. I don't think the 90's will ever be remembered as fondly as the 80's - nor do I the 90's.

What I've noticed is that since the 1890's, "nostalgic" decades come every 30 years. The 1890's is remembered as the "gay 90's"; the 1920's as the "roaring 20's" (while the 30's tends to be remembered as the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl, and the 40's as World War II); the 1950's needs no explanation (but the 60's are remembered as a decade of turbulent social change, the Vietnam War, which extended into the 1970's, which ended with the ignominious age of disco); the 1980's also needs no explanation. Regardless of whether these decades actually lived up to the hype, you can't deny that they have been immemorialized as golden ages (though the 1950's seems to have a bad rap around here). Interestingly, if this pattern continues, the 2010's will be a decade to be remembered nostalgically. So far, there seems to be nothing that suggests this decade will ever go down as one of the better ones, but it's only 14% over.
Elaborating on your idea, I've noticed that popular culture seems to be most nostalgic for, and influenced by, the decade three prior to whichever is current. The 1980's seemed to be influenced by the 1950's; the 1990's seemed to be influenced by the 1960's, and the 2000's seemed to be influenced by the 1970's. The 1950's and 1980's were simpler times and good, clean fun for the most part. The 1960's and 1990's both had a countercultural and experimental streak to them, and the 1970's and 2000's were both kind of weird, and also had a strong undercurrent of sleaze. I've noticed that people seem to be wising up and less tolerant of sociopathic behavior these days, and are also learning how to have fun in more simple ways than before, so maybe the pattern I've noticed will hold steady and the 2010's will be most similar to the 1950's and 1980's.
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Old 05-21-2011, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Elaborating on your idea, I've noticed that popular culture seems to be most nostalgic for, and influenced by, the decade three prior to whichever is current. The 1980's seemed to be influenced by the 1950's; the 1990's seemed to be influenced by the 1960's, and the 2000's seemed to be influenced by the 1970's. The 1950's and 1980's were simpler times and good, clean fun for the most part. The 1960's and 1990's both had a countercultural and experimental streak to them, and the 1970's and 2000's were both kind of weird, and also had a strong undercurrent of sleaze. I've noticed that people seem to be wising up and less tolerant of sociopathic behavior these days, and are also learning how to have fun in more simple ways than before, so maybe the pattern I've noticed will hold steady and the 2010's will be most similar to the 1950's and 1980's.
My brother and I have noticed that as well!
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Old 05-22-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Yayyy, decadeology!!! My Specialty.

Do you think it's because the 90s never really ended? I mean we still have the simpsons, south park, gangsta rap, britney spears, i mean is 2011 really that different from the late 90's?
LOL. I was thinking that too. Now the early 90's definitely seemed different and were one of my favorite times but the late when we entered the decade 2000-2010 I always had the feeling that I was still in the late 90's (with the exception that technology kept gradually changing) where as the 80's definitely felt different from the 70's and the 90's definitely felt different from the 80's.
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Old 05-22-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Elaborating on your idea, I've noticed that popular culture seems to be most nostalgic for, and influenced by, the decade three prior to whichever is current. The 1980's seemed to be influenced by the 1950's; the 1990's seemed to be influenced by the 1960's, and the 2000's seemed to be influenced by the 1970's. The 1950's and 1980's were simpler times and good, clean fun for the most part. The 1960's and 1990's both had a countercultural and experimental streak to them, and the 1970's and 2000's were both kind of weird, and also had a strong undercurrent of sleaze. I've noticed that people seem to be wising up and less tolerant of sociopathic behavior these days, and are also learning how to have fun in more simple ways than before, so maybe the pattern I've noticed will hold steady and the 2010's will be most similar to the 1950's and 1980's.
Yep there was definitely a 50's nostalgia craze going on in the 80's. You had a lot of 50's or 50's influenced movies come out. You had a lot of new clothes, furniture, radio's etc. come out that had a 50's style about them.

If you lived then you probably also remember alot of adults from the baby boom generation were always putting down the 80's and talking about how greater the 60's were. You heard alot of complaining from them about how young people in the 80's didn't stand for anything the way 60's youth did and how materialistic etc. the 80's were. Meanwhile teens from the 80's would often make fun of boomers being ex-hippies.

Baby boomers back then also would often trash music of the 80's (60's music was still popular with a lot of people back then and played on many stations) I wish I could find the people from back then I often heard say "60's music is classic. It's still popular after 20 years. Let's see if this crap from today (the 80's) is being played 20 years from now"
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Old 05-22-2011, 12:31 PM
 
Location: IN
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For me, the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s were far better in terms of quality of life. These days, most people would rather be completely lost in their own world on the Iphone, Droid, BlackBerry, Gaming, etc. I do some of those things too, but in moderation. Also, the economy has been horrible for a number of years and I have known many people that have gone back to school for a new career field. Back in the 80s and 90s, having a college degree in a good field meant you would likely have a fairly good paying job. Now, that is often not the case for many along with lots of college debt. Outsourcing and offshoring (even white collar jobs) has increased. It also seems like many of our smaller towns seem to just be completely falling apart a huge number of people leave for greener pastures or better positions in larger urban cities. I believe the 2010 Census showed lots of decline and decay in many areas of the US. Overall, 2000-2010 was certainly not a very good decade for many people..
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Old 05-22-2011, 04:49 PM
 
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Wow... people talking about toys, and TV shows, high school??

The best QOL in the latter half of the 20th century (and since,) was obviously the 1990s. Whether you got beat up in school, or got laid or not, it was a fairly easy time for the average American.

People can have their own opinions, but this is rather objective. The 80s weren't as good financially, the '00s were a disaster, and the '10s are only 15% done.

Again, your average family had ample employment opportunities, great real estate opportunities, no budget deficit, and burgeoning telecommunications.
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Old 05-22-2011, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Yayyy, decadeology!!! My Specialty.

Do you think it's because the 90s never really ended? I mean we still have the simpsons, south park, gangsta rap, britney spears, i mean is 2011 really that different from the late 90's?
I definitely think we are in a different era than the 90's - even 1999.

In the late 1990s (and very beginning of the 2000s), sappy, generally inoffensive pop music ruled the charts - think of the Backstreet Boys, *N Sync, Christina Aguilera (when she was still Christina Aguilera and not "xtina"), Jennifer Lopez (again, when she was still Jennifer Lopez and not "J.Lo"), etc. Rock did too - Lenny Kravitz, Blink 182, etc. Gangster rap surely existed, but were not nearly as widely popular as they were in the early 1990s or even mid 1990s.

Beginning in 2000, we saw the rise of Southern and Midwestern rap, and by 2002, this is what dominated the charts. This tended to have much more sexually explicit lyrics than the pop music that came immediately before it.

This ruled until an intermediary period around 2007 - 2009 when Electro-Pop came to dominate. What marked electro-pop was its fusion of a 4/4 beat and synths with sexually charged lyrics, often sang by female singers. So the music that's popular right now is of a completely different character than the late 90's. Imagine playing "S&M" by Rihanna or "Blah Blah Blah" by Ke$ha or "I Like It Rough" by Lady Gaga on the radio back in 1999...I don't think it would go well.

As for the TV shows, you have to remember what dominates TV now (reality TV) was only an afterthought on most TV programmers lineups back in the 1990's. Sure, they had what is arguably "reality TV" back then (Cops, even Judge Judy), but in terms of pure reality TV programming (shows like Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore, Big Brother, etc.), that didn't start until around 2001. Most of the leading TV shows then were sitcoms.
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Old 05-22-2011, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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The sad thing is, while 80s music in truth was just as good as 60s music, it was just different, I really think 00s music, and so far, 10s music as well, is simply not as good.

Plus, Gen Y actually appreciates and likes 80s music for the most part! It was more in the 90s that people hated on 80s music.
People always make fun of the music from the last decade. In the 80s disco was considered the lamest music ever made, in the 90s people thought it was cool.

From a purely economic standpoint the 90s were the best of the recent decades. If you were an adult it was a golden age - wages were going up, jobs were easy to find.
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Old 05-22-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: NC/IL/MI
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the true decades imo are:

'50s: 1947-'62
'60s: 1963-'70
'70s: 1971-'79
'80s: 1980-'90
'90s: 1991-'98
'00s: 1999-present

I always felt like the "90's" ended when Once Clinton left.

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I definitely think we are in a different era than the 90's - even 1999.

In the late 1990s (and very beginning of the 2000s), sappy, generally inoffensive pop music ruled the charts - think of the Backstreet Boys, *N Sync, Christina Aguilera (when she was still Christina Aguilera and not "xtina"), Jennifer Lopez (again, when she was still Jennifer Lopez and not "J.Lo"), etc. Rock did too - Lenny Kravitz, Blink 182, etc. Gangster rap surely existed, but were not nearly as widely popular as they were in the early 1990s or even mid 1990s.

Beginning in 2000, we saw the rise of Southern and Midwestern rap, and by 2002, this is what dominated the charts. This tended to have much more sexually explicit lyrics than the pop music that came immediately before it.

This ruled until an intermediary period around 2007 - 2009 when Electro-Pop came to dominate. What marked electro-pop was its fusion of a 4/4 beat and synths with sexually charged lyrics, often sang by female singers. So the music that's popular right now is of a completely different character than the late 90's. Imagine playing "S&M" by Rihanna or "Blah Blah Blah" by Ke$ha or "I Like It Rough" by Lady Gaga on the radio back in 1999...I don't think it would go well.

As for the TV shows, you have to remember what dominates TV now (reality TV) was only an afterthought on most TV programmers lineups back in the 1990's. Sure, they had what is arguably "reality TV" back then (Cops, even Judge Judy), but in terms of pure reality TV programming (shows like Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore, Big Brother, etc.), that didn't start until around 2001. Most of the leading TV shows then were sitcoms.
Most rap music now would've never been on the radion in 99.

I dont imagine that Keeping up with the Kardashians would have been popular in 99 either. That show is basically about a socialite and her family doing.......well, nothing.

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