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I'm from NE Ohio, live in Chicago, and agree with you about Cleveland, but not Detroit. People from Detroit, and Michigan in general, seem to flock to Chicago in large numbers. I think this has especially accelerated over the last decade or so. I think Detroit definitely looks toward Chicago over the Northeast. Parts of Chicago could practically be little Michigan. They even recently built a Detroit style coney island hot dog shop here on Southport Ave.
Have you eaten there... it's pretty freaking good, so is the Italian Ice across the street.
In Ohio Chicago is seen as a nice city and a good place to live as a young professional. It seems to be a metric which other Midwestern cities like Columbus and Indianapolis can measure themselves against in terms of quality of urban life.
In Ohio Chicago is seen as a nice city and a good place to live as a young professional. It seems to be a metric which other Midwestern cities like Columbus and Indianapolis can measure themselves against in terms of quality of urban life.
What??
I would place Columbus third in OHIO behind Cleveland and Cincinnati for "Quality of Urban Life"
I wasn't saying that those two cities were as good as Chicago in terms of urban life, just that cities in the Midwest (Columbus being the one that I am currently in and familiar with and Indy being in a neighboring state) see Chicago as setting a standard for quality of life. Leaders in these cities seem to want to be more like Chicago in terms of attracting young professionals and improving urban life.
For so many people here who say they don't think too much about other cities in the Midwest, there sure are a lot of posts arguing about which people suck more.
I like Chicago. Only been there once, but had a great time. I live in Columbus and love it here too. I generally like most of the Midwest and find it has a lot to offer, a lot more than people outside of the area tend to believe.
I would place Columbus third in OHIO behind Cleveland and Cincinnati for "Quality of Urban Life"
Maybe 'Quality of Family Life"...maybe...
You may be right, but out of the 3, Columbus is the only one that has any significant population growth and is already the largest city in the state. If you're counting metro areas, which I don't like because they tend to include towns and cities that are very much separate, then Cleveland is still the largest. How long it stays at the top is the question. I do believe that, eventually, Columbus will easily be the top city in the state, both population-wise and in urban development. The changes just in the last 10 years have been significant.
You may be right, but out of the 3, Columbus is the only one that has any significant population growth and is already the largest city in the state. If you're counting metro areas, which I don't like because they tend to include towns and cities that are very much separate, then Cleveland is still the largest. How long it stays at the top is the question. I do believe that, eventually, Columbus will easily be the top city in the state, both population-wise and in urban development. The changes just in the last 10 years have been significant.
I can't say I completely agree. Even at current growth rates, it would take approx. 30 years for Columbus to surpass metro Cleveland, and I'm not sure Cleveland will stay stagnant forever, or that Columbus will grow forever. But anything is possible!
Being a newcomer to both Chicago and the Midwest, I have to say that any conflict between the two seems a bit overrated. I came to Chicago for Chicago itself, of course, but I've always been interested in the Midwest, and I've always suspected that it's a bit underrated. That feeling has been very much confirmed.
Prior to falling in love with Chicago, I was very impressed with Minneapolis and Pittsburgh, so I would say that Chicago attracts about the same sort of people (like me) as any other Midwestern area.
I can't say I completely agree. Even at current growth rates, it would take approx. 30 years for Columbus to surpass metro Cleveland, and I'm not sure Cleveland will stay stagnant forever, or that Columbus will grow forever. But anything is possible!
Don't forget Cincinnati. They are not only a growing metro area, but Hamilton County and Cincy proper are growing as well.
You may be right, but out of the 3, Columbus is the only one that has any significant population growth and is already the largest city in the state. If you're counting metro areas, which I don't like because they tend to include towns and cities that are very much separate, then Cleveland is still the largest. How long it stays at the top is the question. I do believe that, eventually, Columbus will easily be the top city in the state, both population-wise and in urban development. The changes just in the last 10 years have been significant.
This makes no sense. The only reason Columbus is bigger than Cleveland or Cincy is because it was able to annex a bunch of land around it (basically all those cities and towns you don't like to include). Cleveland and Cincy would be bigger than Columbus if they had equal land areas in the city proper.
Columbus:213 sq miles
Cleveland:83 sq miles
Cincy:80 sq miles
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