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Old 06-19-2007, 11:35 AM
 
Location: In God
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So let's get back to discussing the comparisons to Houston and Chicago. There was a discussion a/b the parks system of Chicago vs. Houston...to me, you have to include Bay Area Houston, and there are lots of Gulf Coast rec activities. Chicago people will point to their Lake. Well, Houston has the gulf plus some nice lakes.
True, but the somewhat unattractive beaches, refineries, combined with the heat has always made water attractions near Houston seem less than appealing to many people
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Old 06-19-2007, 12:12 PM
 
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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Just to make this relevant to the thread, there have been no reported hate incidents in Illinois so far this year or last, compared to the one incident in Texas (a KKK rally with twelve members) this year and 6 last year [SNIP]
*My apologies, make that twenty four. I didn't see the "two."
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Old 06-19-2007, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I was surprised to see the amount of hate crimes in California for 2007 (18) compared to Texas (1)
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:02 PM
 
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I was surprised to see the amount of hate crimes in California for 2007 (18) compared to Texas (1)
That doesn't surprise me at all. People in this country just need to get over the stereotype that the South is the center of all racial turmoil when that's not even close to the truth. Not speaking of you, though, BearBranch.
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:13 PM
 
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True, but the somewhat unattractive beaches, refineries, combined with the heat has always made water attractions near Houston seem less than appealing to many people
Yes, that's true, but the economy and low cost of living compensates for those defects, at least in my opinion. You can't do much about the weather and no one wants to be trapped in their homes with AC but you can definitely address the city planners about the sprawl and lack of public transit. Chicago and Houston are so much alike and yet so different. The fact that both cities are large and ethnically diverse is a very good thing. The real division is in the laws, local ordinances and how the cities are laid out. I believe that with Houston's rapid population increase that sprawl will disappear. How long that will take is a good question to ponder?
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:21 PM
 
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I do feel that Houston being a newer American city has done a good job with its planning and infrastructure...of course there are rooms for improvment...but I would like to think that the Texas Transportation Board has been a leader in urban planning and has looked at the mistakes of northern cities and done a great job with our freeways.

As for social views, it's hard...it's hard on a national scale, it's hard on a state-wide scale, it's hard on a local scale. Everyone has their views. I have mine. YOu have yours. And there are people that are real passionate a/b the social views. But it's an empty set solution. I do think there is common ground on some social views: education is one...where I dont think there is any citizen in the state of Texas that wouldnt like to have their kids educated well...now there's disagreements on how to go about doing that...but it's a general consensus...
But in terms of death penalty or abortion, this is an age long debate that there is probably no common ground to find. You're either pro choice or you're not...and if you're not, well, after 30 years of hearing this debate, it's likely not going to change anytime soon, if you're pro choice, well, then you're in the majority of urban centers in this country.
Death penalty, either you're for or against, you're not going to change people's mind.
But this is a forum about cities...I dont think the presence of the death penalty in this state has hindered Houston growth considering Houston remains as one of the fastest growing MSA's in the country. If it were repealed in Texas and prohibited, I still dont think it will hinder Houston's growth in anyway. I think what makes urban centers like Houston, Chicago, Dallas, NYC, Philly, LA great is that you have opinions from all circles who like to spend time debating subjects that are great for conversation such as this one, but in the grand scheme of things will continue to be at a stalemate for several years to come. Does it affect growth of a city? Have yet to see any research article that sways one way or another. Now education may...but then again, education is hard to stress on the family unit level...it's a two pronged approach...a family culture is just as accountable for the education of children as the resources we as a country provide through our property tax. It's easy to legislate the latter, it's hard to legislate the former, b/c that would require changing cultures withing individual family units.
What other topics so we can get back to discussing cities, stem cell research...very controversial...will it affect Houston growth...perhaps in the medical city and also at Chicago's U of C and Northwestern Campuses, but once again, you can get both arguments...stem cells from adults are viable...it's a known fact in the medical community...and at the same time, embryonic stem cells are viable to be used for regrowth of organs as well...so take your side...liberal or conservative...at this point, it may become a mute point with the next election since REpublicans are on course to elect a moderate or the Democrats' Obama or Hillary. But in terms of the state of Texas, it probably affects NIH funding at the Med Center in Houston, and it may recruit some educated people to the state...

But you're right, social issues matter if it means that our future generations are less educated. B/c for a democracy to work, you need to have educated people making educated and responsible decisions. But you also need to look at the micro economics of it all. Everything boils down to individual preferences. What do people want out of their govt., their city, their neighborhood. I truly believe American's prefer a hybrid of Europe and Asia. We have govt. regulation, yet we provide a market of incentives for people to work hard. We're not purely free enterprise, we're not purely socialistic, this is what makes our country great and the great cities of Houston and Chicago great.

So let's get back to discussing the comparisons to Houston and Chicago. There was a discussion a/b the parks system of Chicago vs. Houston...to me, you have to include Bay Area Houston, and there are lots of Gulf Coast rec activities. Chicago people will point to their Lake. Well, Houston has the gulf plus some nice lakes.
I agree with much of what you had to say. You bring some good insight in to the converstation. Houston does have good freeways, so if you're a driver and can put up with the traffice madness it shouldn't be a problem. The public transit syste could be a lot better and I hope that Houston rectifies this through action and not talk. The people in your city deserve an excellent transit system instead of being forced in to purchasing a car. The social issues perhaps will linger forever as people have always had a hard time reaching common ground. The bigger issue and one worth discussing, is how the money is going to be distributed to address the social ills when you have conflicting views on projects and social issues? Also, the air quality in Chicago is better.
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:44 PM
 
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Yes, that's true, but the economy and low cost of living compensates for those defects, at least in my opinion. You can't do much about the weather and no one wants to be trapped in their homes with AC but you can definitely address the city planners about the sprawl and lack of public transit. Chicago and Houston are so much alike and yet so different. The fact that both cities are large and ethnically diverse is a very good thing. The real division is in the laws, local ordinances and how the cities are laid out. I believe that with Houston's rapid population increase that sprawl will disappear. How long that will take is a good question to ponder?
People should be aware that I discovered that Houston is not always as affordable. Because let me tell you, I was looking at some townhomes and lofts the other day, and some developments have Manhattan prices for poor views and locations in the middle of wrecked neighborhoods.

Speaking of which, Supernova, what type of dwelling were you looking to stay in if you decided Houston over Portland?
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:51 PM
 
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Are you kidding me. MANHATTAN PRICES IN HOUSTON?
My "dwelling"......lol I haven't heard that term for some time.
One bedroom = approx..500-600 sq ft. would be sufficient. I'm a very simple person. No lofts/condo's unless of course I can rent one for $600...lol

Anyhow, I like the "bohemian communites with a rough city edge to them"
I'm not in to the "pretty neighborhoods" with the trendy, chich superficial people.
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Old 06-19-2007, 03:10 PM
 
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Are you kidding me. MANHATTAN PRICES IN HOUSTON?
My "dwelling"......lol I haven't heard that term for some time.
One bedroom = approx..500-600 sq ft. would be sufficient. I'm a very simple person. No lofts/condo's unless of course I can rent one for $600...lol
Well, of course not the highest you'll find in Manhattan, but similar to some prices that one might find in the Bowery and what not. But I wouldn't look forward to finding a decent condo or loft in Houston for a rent of $600.
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Old 06-19-2007, 03:55 PM
 
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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That doesn't surprise me at all. People in this country just need to get over the stereotype that the South is the center of all racial turmoil when that's not even close to the truth. Not speaking of you, though, BearBranch.
I agree. But people love to cling to their stereotypes! Helps them feel smugly superior, I guess. Also, I got the 2006 number for Illinois wrong. My eyes have been deceiving me all day, it seems. It wasn't zero incidents, it was three. And California is leading in extremist groups with 25, Arizona is in second place with 19, while Texas is third with 13. And with that, I'm bowing out of this thread and having a nice day, as previously instructed.
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