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Old 03-25-2010, 06:15 PM
 
Location: IN
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Is it just me or does it seem like the two areas are diverging even more with time? The new Census statistics indicate that all of the Great Plains states are actually growing faster by percentage compared to nearly all states in the Midwest and Great Lakes. Also, it seems from reading the state forums that the residents living in the Great Plains states seem to be more self-confident and economically semi-optimistic compared to many residents living in the Midwest and Great Lakes. Will the Great Plains states continue to attract more in-migration from the struggling Midwest or will too many people snub the relative isolation and extreme climate of the Great Plains?

09 pop growth alone:
ND 1%- huge turnaround since the early 2000s.
SD .8%
NE .7-.8%
KS .8%
MN .6-.7%

IA .4%
WI .5%
IL .3%
MI -.3%
OH- .1%
IN- .5%
MO- .5%

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Old 03-25-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Is Missouri not a Plains or Midwestern state?
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:37 PM
 
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I find very little similarities between the states...Even with the growth rates, the plains states really have no where near the population or culture as the Midwest states. My county has more people than ND and SD combined, so I'm not sure the population growth shows ANY correlation between the areas. I don't think the diversity is as nearly as close either, I'm sure Cleveland has more blacks than many of those combined states COMBINED. Still an interesting topic.

For instance, out of the top 10 most populated states 2008 estimate:

Illinois 13,000,000
Ohio 12,000,000
Michigan 10,000,000
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I find very little similarities between the states...Even with the growth rates, the plains states really have no where near the population or culture as the Midwest states. My county has more people than ND and SD combined, so I'm not sure the population growth shows ANY correlation between the areas. I don't think the diversity is as nearly as close either, I'm sure Cleveland has more blacks than many of those combined states COMBINED. Still an interesting topic.

For instance, out of the top 10 most populated states 2008 estimate:

Illinois 13,000,000
Ohio 12,000,000
Michigan 10,000,000
I dont think our population in Michigan ever actually topped 10 million. At one time we were 9.7, but considering the last few years I am sure our number is much lower.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:39 PM
 
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I dont think our population in Michigan ever actually topped 10 million. At one time we were 9.7, but considering the last few years I am sure our number is much lower.
That was just from a 2008 estimate, either way comparing that to the likes of say ND + SD which total is 1.6 million ls where I am getting.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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That was just from a 2008 estimate, either way comparing that to the likes of say ND + SD which total is 1.6 million ls where I am getting.

The Dakotas are remote even by the standards of the plains states. They are like a world of thier own.
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like the two areas are diverging even more with time? The new Census statistics indicate that all of the Great Plains states are actually growing faster by percentage compared to nearly all states in the Midwest and Great Lakes. Also, it seems from reading the state forums that the residents living in the Great Plains states seem to be more self-confident and economically semi-optimistic compared to many residents living in the Midwest and Great Lakes. Will the Great Plains states continue to attract more in-migration from the struggling Midwest or will too many people snub the relative isolation and extreme climate of the Great Plains?

09 pop growth alone:
ND 1%- huge turnaround since the early 2000s.
SD .8%
NE .7-.8%
KS .8%
MN .6-.7%

IA .4%
WI .5%
IL .3%
MI -.3%
OH- .1%
IN- .5%
I think that MN should be lumped in with the Great Lake states, especially when you consider that the MSP area is on the Wisconsin border. MN is also east of all the Plains states, and it's also more of a "corn/dairy" state than a "wheat" state ( although NW Minnesota does have a thin wheat belt, on the ND border).
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I think looking at percentage population increase is a bit deceptive when comparing highly populous states (IL, OH) to states with low populations (ND, SD). For example, a 1% increase in the population of ND is ~6,500 people whereas a modest increase of 0.3% in the population of IL is ~39,000 people...In raw numbers, IL is still gaining a lot more people than ND. I'm not trying to negate your other ideas, but I just think that percentage increase is a disingenuous comparison.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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Is Missouri not a Plains or Midwestern state?

MO is midwest, don't know why he didn't list it.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:54 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I dont think our population in Michigan ever actually topped 10 million. At one time we were 9.7, but considering the last few years I am sure our number is much lower.
Michigan's population was over 10 million from 2000-2009, but has since dropped below 10 million.
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