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View Poll Results: Washington DC: Southern, Northern, or No Man's Land?
Northern City with Southern Overtones 13 33.33%
Southern city with Northern Overtones 4 10.26%
A hybrid of both 13 33.33%
No Man's Land- its neither duck nor pond. 9 23.08%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-02-2010, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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DC's Finest, do you not have anything to say about the fact that Washington, DC was part of the Jim Crow south? And the fact that the Redskins were "the team of Dixie" and flew Confederate battle flags during their games? How can you possibly claim that DC has more in common with Philly than Richmond when the team was flying Confederate battle flags?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_to_the_Redskins#References_to_Dixie

http://kevin-blackistone.fanhouse.com/2009/11/17/dear-redskins-do-the-right-thing/

http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/closer/020315.html
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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DC's Finest, do you not have anything to say about the fact that Washington, DC was part of the Jim Crow south? And the fact that the Redskins were "the team of Dixie" and flew Confederate battle flags during their games? How can you possibly claim that DC has more in common with Philly than Richmond when the team was flying Confederate battle flags?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_to_the_Redskins#References_to_Dixie

http://kevin-blackistone.fanhouse.com/2009/11/17/dear-redskins-do-the-right-thing/

http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/closer/020315.html
For one thing at the time DC, was the Southern NFL team, since there were no teams South of it. Also, that was in the past, before the strong case for it being a Northern city.

"Washington is a city of Southern charm and Northern efficiency."
-JFK

...50 years ago. The "Southern charm" part has been wittled down to almost nothing. If there were any Southern drawls, Confederate flags, NASCAR tracks, Waffle House's, Bojangles, sweet tea drinkers etc. before, they're gone now.

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Old 03-02-2010, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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For one thing at the time DC, was the Southern NFL team, since there were no teams South of it. Also, that was in the past, before the strong case for it being a Northern city.

"Washington is a city of Southern charm and Northern efficiency."
-JFK

...50 years ago. The "Southern charm" part has been wittled down to almost nothing. If there were any Southern drawls, Confederate flags, NASCAR tracks, Waffle House's, Bojangles, sweet tea drinkers etc. before, they're gone now.
Yes, and as everyone knows, to you these things all just SCREAM Atlanta. There can never be any comparison in any way, right?

Sorry cpterp, but you simply can not erase your areas history, despite how much many of you seem to wish to.
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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For one thing at the time DC, was the Southern NFL team, since there were no teams South of it. Also, that was in the past, before the strong case for it being a Northern city.

"Washington is a city of Southern charm and Northern efficiency."
-JFK

...50 years ago. The "Southern charm" part has been wittled down to almost nothing. If there were any Southern drawls, Confederate flags, NASCAR tracks, Waffle House's, Bojangles, sweet tea drinkers etc. before, they're gone now.
Actually, there's a Waffle House near Woodbridge, one near Quantico, and two on I-95 outside of Baltimore near Aberdeen. There's also a Bojangles on Branch Avenue near Iverson Mall and one at Largo Town Center.

And the Confederate flag waving at Redskins games was as recent as the 1960s.

Like JohnATL said, why can't the same argument be made for Atlanta being a northern city? Jim Crow is part of Atlanta's past too, but it is no more. North Carolina was a blue state this past election cycle. Raleigh also has high paying jobs and A LOT of liberals. Not too many Baptists in that area either. If Raleigh gets some more tapas restaurants, can we call that northern too?

BTW, there's also a Whole Foods in Raleigh.
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:25 AM
 
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For one thing at the time DC, was the Southern NFL team, since there were no teams South of it. Also, that was in the past, before the strong case for it being a Northern city.

"Washington is a city of Southern charm and Northern efficiency."
-JFK

...50 years ago. The "Southern charm" part has been wittled down to almost nothing. If there were any Southern drawls, Confederate flags, NASCAR tracks, Waffle House's, Bojangles, sweet tea drinkers etc. before, they're gone now.
Exactly, I completely agree with the bold. I have been to Washington DC many times and nothing resembles the south culturally. Also, I know many people from DC and when asked, DC natives consider themselves northerners.

Herman Kahn and Anthony Wiener coined the name "BosWash" in the 1960s for a reason.

BosWash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 03-03-2010, 09:29 AM
 
Location: metro ATL
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Herman Kahn and Anthony Wiener coined the name "BosWash" in the 1960s for a reason.

BosWash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't really see what that has to do with anything. Once the sprawl reaches Richmond in a more or less continuous fashion, we'll be calling it "BosRich," but that won't make Richmond Northern.

DC is mid-Atlantic. It has contemporary features of the North and historic elements of the South. Mid-Atlantic.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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Actually, there's a Waffle House near Woodbridge, one near Quantico, and two on I-95 outside of Baltimore near Aberdeen. There's also a Bojangles on Branch Avenue near Iverson Mall and one at Largo Town Center.

And the Confederate flag waving at Redskins games was as recent as the 1960s.

Like JohnATL said, why can't the same argument be made for Atlanta being a northern city? Jim Crow is part of Atlanta's past too, but it is no more. North Carolina was a blue state this past election cycle. Raleigh also has high paying jobs and A LOT of liberals. Not too many Baptists in that area either. If Raleigh gets some more tapas restaurants, can we call that northern too?

BTW, there's also a Whole Foods in Raleigh.
See you're looking at the few deviations here and there instead of the big picture. You're saying there's one of these here, and one of these over there. Yet, for ever Southern quirk you mention, I can mention 20 Northern ones.

Yeah, there might be a few here Waffle Houses here and there in rural MD (and PA as well, are they Southern?). As I said before Maryland still has traces of a Southern past. There are 16 in Atlanta accoring to the website, yet absolutely none in DC. Why? Krispy Kremes (only two between DC and MD) vastly outnumber DD's. Why? There are more Wegmans and Wawa's than Piggly Wiggly's or Harris Teeter's (the latter of which only recently expanded into the area). Virginia is still solidly Southern, except for NoVA which leans Northern.

"And the Confederate flag waving at Redskins games was as recent as the 1960s"
This is the point I'm trying to get across. This isn't the 1960's.

btw Whole Foods is a national chain based in Austin, TX. There are plenty in the area though. Also, area included under the diocese of Raleigh is only 4.5% Catholic.

As for calling NC a "blue state." Riiight. I like NC, especially C'lotte and Raleigh, but it isn't blue.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: the future
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D.C is midatlantic its not southern or norther but its both ....watch every documentary about Washington, D.C and its history is from southern migration....nowadays D.C is its own territory...transplants from the north, south, east, west as the crime drops........the south wont claim D.C as southern and the north wont claim D.C as northern so that means its just D.C you can be a yankee and country at the same time .....its not like Baltimore or Richmond....you can put D.C in the south it would fit you can put it in the north it would fit.....
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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I don't really see what that has to do with anything. Once the sprawl reaches Richmond in a more or less continuous fashion, we'll be calling it "BosRich," but that won't make Richmond Northern.
um, it kind of will. once a strectch of burbs goes completely to richmond they WILL call it northern, because for that to happen there'd need to be huge amounts of northern immigration, thus changing the culture forever.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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Yes, and as everyone knows, to you these things all just SCREAM Atlanta. There can never be any comparison in any way, right?

Sorry cpterp, but you simply can not erase your areas history, despite how much many of you seem to wish to.
Are the things I listed not characteristics shared by Southern states?

I'm certainly not erasing history. I've already said that DC, MD, DE, WV have some Southern history, but in most cases the Northern qualities/attributes drown that out. Over 90% of DC residents think it's Northern. Could so many people be mistaken? Atlanta is still undenaibly Southern, shown in the facts I've pointed out before and it's subjective culture.
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