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Old 05-02-2010, 10:57 PM
 
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The question that I aways wondered is why do most Southerners have soo much hate and discriminative views against Maryland??????
I don't think anyone "hates" Maryland. I do not consider Maryland part of the South, nor do most Americans, whether Southern, Northern, Western, or whatever. When people try and make illogical statements such as "Maryland is obviously Southern!", they will be corrected. It doesn't matter if the person correcting them is from Alabama or Alaska.
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Old 05-02-2010, 11:01 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Upper South:
-Maryland
-Washington, D.C.
-West Virginia
-Delaware
-Northern Virginia

Deep South:
-Everywhere else

Sorry but its been a pet peeve of mine that DC and Maryland are considered the south because of an imaginary line that was drawn back before America was a country
Elite-ism, table for one....
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:40 AM
 
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What are you talking about? Maryland isn't even on the radar for most people from states that are generally recognized as Southern (e.g., the deep South).
That is just a roundabout way of saying that most Southerners have no respect for the state of Maryland(and go as far as denying Maryland of being a Southern State) and tend to ignore the state of Maryland when visiting the DC area but have no problems exploring Northern Virginia.......
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:43 AM
 
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I don't think anyone "hates" Maryland. I do not consider Maryland part of the South, nor do most Americans, whether Southern, Northern, Western, or whatever. When people try and make illogical statements such as "Maryland is obviously Southern!", they will be corrected. It doesn't matter if the person correcting them is from Alabama or Alaska.
And you are just as wrong for denying Maryland as a Southern state further proving my point that a lot of Southerners have no respect for the state of Maryland and its History.......
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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And you are just as wrong for denying Maryland as a Southern state further proving my point that a lot of Southerners have no respect for the state of Maryland and its History.......
Like RSG I don't think it is a matter of "hating" Maryland, or denying that there are some Southern aspects and elements in Maryland's history. The definition of the South has always been subject to disagreement and probably hundreds of different criteria (ranging from membership in the Confederacy all the way down to where Kudzu grows.). Some "Deep South purists" exclude any state but Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia from the "true South" LOL

But anyway, back to Maryland, the fact is, according to the most extensive survey ever done on "Southern identity", even most Marylanders don't consider themselves to live in the South, and even less consider themselves to be Southerners.

This data has been posted before, but it is the result of 14 twice-yearly Southern Focus Polls from 1992 - 1999, out of the Institute for Research in Social Science at the U. of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (noted sociologist and "southernologist" John Shelton Reed was in charge of the project.

Over 17,000 people were contacted in the 11 former Confederate states, plus Kentucky, Oklahoma, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware. The purpose was to "find the South" by where a majority of residents self-identified with the region. Here is is:

Percent who say their community is in the South (percentage base in parentheses)

Alabama 98 (717) South Carolina 98 (553) Louisiana 97 (606) Mississippi 97 (431) Georgia 97 (1017) Tennessee 97 (838) North Carolina 93 (1292) Arkansas 92 (400) Florida 90 (1792) Texas 84 (2050) Virginia 82 (1014) Kentucky 79 (582) Oklahoma 69 (411)

West Virginia 45 (82) Maryland 40 (173) Missouri 23 (177) Delaware 14 (21) D.C. 7 (15)

Percent who say they are Southerners (percentage base in parentheses)

Mississippi 90 (432) Louisiana 89 (606) Alabama 88 (716) Tennessee 84 (838) South Carolina 82 (553) Arkansas 81 (399) Georgia 81 (1017) North Carolina 80 (1290) Texas 68 (2053) Kentucky 68 (584) Virginia 60 (1012) Oklahoma 53 (410) Florida 51 (1791)

West Virginia 25 (84) Maryland 19 (192) Missouri 15 (197) Delaware 12 (25) D.C. 12 (16)
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: metro ATL
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That is just a roundabout way of saying that most Southerners have no respect for the state of Maryland(and go as far as denying Maryland of being a Southern State) and tend to ignore the state of Maryland when visiting the DC area but have no problems exploring Northern Virginia.......
What the devil are you talking about? LOL! This is pretty silly here. You need to at least admit that many traces of Maryland's Southern heritage are gone; even Maryland's political leaders recently voted to move out of an organization where they were grouped with Southern states to one where they are grouped with Northeastern states. And what is all this stuff about only visiting NoVA when visiting DC? What are you talking about? Do you have any stats on this kind of stuff or are do you just have a bit of disconnected anecdotes?
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:49 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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I agree that D.C., Delaware, and Marylan are not the South. However, I will say it's not so clear cut. When you're up in northern Delaware it feels very Mid-Atlantic, or even Northeastern, but when you go down to Southern Delaware suddenly all these confederate flags start popping up and people talk about how much they hate Northern Del. And Dover's got the big NASCAR race. Still, the culture could perhaps be more accurately described as "country" or "redneck" (I don't mean this as a negative thing) rather than "Southern." Lots of places in the Mid-West/ Great Plains have country culture. People kind of mix them up, which is understandable.

As has been noted, there are some cultural differences between different parts of the South, naturally. The Ozark region of Arkansas, the bayous of Louisiana, and panhandle of Florida are all "Southern" but have their distinctive features.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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That is just a roundabout way of saying that most Southerners have no respect for the state of Maryland(and go as far as denying Maryland of being a Southern State) and tend to ignore the state of Maryland when visiting the DC area but have no problems exploring Northern Virginia.......
You're right that Southerners don't consider Maryland to do Southern. So if you're around a Southerner and you say something like that you'll probably be cut down pretty good. But I don't think there's any particular animosity towards Marylanders. Why should there be?
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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That is just a roundabout way of saying that most Southerners have no respect for the state of Maryland(and go as far as denying Maryland of being a Southern State) and tend to ignore the state of Maryland when visiting the DC area but have no problems exploring Northern Virginia.......
First off there is nothing southern about the NOVA area, thank goodness for that though. Much of Maryland's "southern" heritage is gone. But even Virginia isn't all that southern compared to Mississippi or any other deep south state.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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DC, Maryland, and Delaware are not in the South.
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