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Old 11-23-2010, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Newnan, GA
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I was against it because we have several here in the Atlanta area without a special tax being pulled out of my pocket. In a capitalist economy south Georgia would have a trauma center if it would be financially viable, otherwise it's socialism.
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Sorry, but on this score I absolutely disagree (and I am a Libertarian). Even in a capitalist economy, there has to be an establishment of certain services for the public good, even if they are not profitable. This would be one of them.
Under this scenario, people with rare diseaseswould simply be out of luck because private pharmaceutical companies could not produce enough volume of the medicine to turn a profit.
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They do, that's why such drugs are so freaking expensive.
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Do I follow that you would prefer to let these people die in order to achieve a lower embedded drug cost? I somehow think that we cannot lay the entire fault of high drug costs at the feet of victims of rare diseases.
I also pray that you or a loved one never sustain serious injuries in a remote part of this state.
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This is why I have a lot of insurance. Cancer insurance specifically because treating that can be very expensive. I don't believe it's my fault because people don't have the same

As far as trauma centers in the middle of nowhere. If I have to go past macon, I fly.
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We're not talking about cancer here. 'Trauma' would be referring to car crashes, house fire, gun and knife wounds, etc.
Whether or not one has insurance is irrelevant to this conversation. When minutes are critical, you are in Douglas, GA and the closest Level 1 adult trauma center is 200 miles away at Grady, I suspect that one might not be so flippant and rethink their position about a lousy $10 fee on their license plate.

Georgia Health Info | Trauma Centers in Georgia (http://georgiahealthinfo.gov/cms/trauma_centers_georgia - broken link)
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I was simply answering your question about lower drug costs. Like I said, if i travel south of Macon, I fly.
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What does THAT have to do with what we're talking about?


See bold, that's where we started talking about cancer, you brought it up.
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:31 PM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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See bold, that's where we started talking about cancer, you brought it up.
Are you referring to when I brought up the rare disease analogy? How do you figure I was referring to cancer? That is hardly what i would call a rare disease.
Nowhere did I mention cancer. I'm afraid you appear to be unable to follow my train of thought.
I'm beginning to understand why Amendment 2 failed.
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Newnan, GA
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Are you referring to when I brought up the rare disease analogy? How do you figure I was referring to cancer? That is hardly what i would call a rare disease.
Nowhere did I mention cancer. I'm afraid you appear to be unable to follow my train of thought.
I'm beginning to understand why Amendment 2 failed.
My point is that there is insurance that can protect against the high cost of healthcare.
And all forms of cancer are not rare? Please read a book.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:39 PM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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My point is that there is insurance that can protect against the high cost of healthcare.
And all forms of cancer are not rare? Please read a book.
I think I will read a book. Hmm...oh, here's one. The Complete Idiot's Guide To Social Policy. Ahhhh...
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Newnan, GA
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I think I will read a book. Hmm...oh, here's one. The Complete Idiot's Guide To Social Policy. Ahhhh...
Does that tell you about rare forms of cancer? Since you seem to think that cancer isn't rare.
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Old 11-23-2010, 10:57 PM
 
Location: sowf jawja
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We are ok in Atlanta, if south Ga needs a trauma center you all should pay for it. When it comes to issues dealing with Atlanta traffic south Ga doesnt want to help Atlanta so we dont want to help you all when you are in need.

sounds fair to me.


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Under this scenario, people with rare diseases would simply be out of luck because private pharmaceutical companies could not produce enough volume of the medicine to turn a profit.
In reality, they still make the drug and charge whatever they need to make it profitable.

I know a guy who gets an injection every couple months @ $15k per shot. Its for some type of cancer.
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Old 11-24-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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In reality, they still make the drug and charge whatever they need to make it profitable.

I know a guy who gets an injection every couple months @ $15k per shot. Its for some type of cancer.
Yeah, I can believe it. There is an ongoing debate on what funding sources should support 'orphan' drugs. That's why I saw a parallel to the debate over trauma centers.

Drugs for exceptionally rare diseases: do they deserve special status for funding? — QJM
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Old 11-24-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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I was against it because we have several here in the Atlanta area without a special tax being pulled out of my pocket. In a capitalist economy south Georgia would have a trauma center if it would be financially viable, otherwise it's socialism.
This, from a resident of the number-forty-something-in-education state. Oh yeah, can't fund the schools either, that'd be soshalism as well.

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My point is that there is insurance that can protect against the high cost of healthcare.
And all forms of cancer are not rare? Please read a book.
Dude chill out. It doesn't matter whether lovin brought up cancer or not, trauma deals with sudden, severe, life-threatening emergencies. And apparently asking Georgians to give $10 per YEAR to help fund them is simply too much.
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Old 11-24-2010, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Newnan, GA
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This, from a resident of the number-forty-something-in-education state. Oh yeah, can't fund the schools either, that'd be soshalism as well.
What makes you think i'm uneducated? Because I don't like to help people that can't pay for crap themselves?
I'm all for funding education, the way it is the money stays local.

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Dude chill out. It doesn't matter whether lovin brought up cancer or not, trauma deals with sudden, severe, life-threatening emergencies. And apparently asking Georgians to give $10 per YEAR to help fund them is simply too much.
Tonygeorgia said it best and even someone from southgeorgia agreed.

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We are ok in Atlanta, if south Ga needs a trauma center you all should pay for it. When it comes to issues dealing with Atlanta traffic south Ga doesnt want to help Atlanta so we dont want to help you all when you are in need. Why not serve alcohol on Sunday or change the last call and use that extra money for those centers. Bring in casinos and use that additional revenue for the trauma center

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sounds fair to me.
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Old 11-24-2010, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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What makes you think i'm uneducated? Because I don't like to help people that can't pay for crap themselves?
I'm all for funding education, the way it is the money stays local.


Tonygeorgia said it best and even someone from southgeorgia agreed.
So in other words, you don't want to pay $10 per year to save someone else's life, if they can't afford to pay an often-times massive hospital bill?
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