Gubernatorial Race 2018 (worth, room, amount)

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident

Her actions really were truly disgraceful.

But one can also say that about the actions of Governor-elect Brian Kemp, who in his capacity as Secretary of State accused Democrats of hacking into the state's voting database without proof on the eve of the general election, seemingly in a desperate final attempt to sway what at the time appeared to be an uncertain election outcome towards Republicans.

I cannot say that I blame him for doing what he did in that situation with his back up against the wall politically.

But let's be careful not to overlook that there definitely is plenty of shame for "disgraceful" actions and behavior to go around "on both sides" as our nation's Commander-in-Chief might say.

[bUU]

Originally Posted by OneDawg

If people can't read their own id (d/l) then who is to blame?

What do you think is the actual answer to this question? (I'm guessing that you are thinking about it too simplistically for your answer to be true.)

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

But one can also say that about the actions of Governor-elect Brian Kemp, who in his capacity as Secretary of State accused Democrats of hacking into the state's voting database without proof on the eve of the general election, seemingly in a desperate final attempt to sway what at the time appeared to be an uncertain election outcome towards Republicans.

I cannot say that I blame him for doing what he did in that situation with his back up against the wall politically.

But let's be careful not to overlook that there definitely is plenty of shame for "disgraceful" actions and behavior to go around "on both sides" as our nation's Commander-in-Chief might say.

I agree that a baseless claim such as his was very low. I don’t think either candidate took the high ground which doesn’t bode well for Georgia.

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by bUU

What do you think is the actual answer to this question? (I'm guessing that you are thinking about it too simplistically for your answer to be true.)

The facetious answer - don’t put apostrophes and hyphens in your child’s name.

The simple answer - register with the exact name as spelled on your DL.

The complex but unsubstantiated answer - political bias and voter suppression.

[prospectheightsresident]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

But one can also say that about the actions of Governor-elect Brian Kemp, who in his capacity as Secretary of State accused Democrats of hacking into the state's voting database without proof on the eve of the general election, seemingly in a desperate final attempt to sway what at the time appeared to be an uncertain election outcome towards Republicans.

I cannot say that I blame him for doing what he did in that situation with his back up against the wall politically.

But let's be careful not to overlook that there definitely is plenty of shame for "disgraceful" actions and behavior to go around "on both sides" as our nation's Commander-in-Chief might say.

That's fine, and I wouldn't disagree with the general notion that Kemp should've kept information about an investigation into attempted hacking of the election system (especially if he wasn't going to provide sufficient information to support) private so close to an election--especially if they was no immediate need to inform the public. Still, let's be clear: such a move by Kemp IMO would equally have to the effect of energizing conservatives and leftists, especially once the Dem Party pushed back and cried foul as was to be expected. What ever came of this investigation, though?

Of course, this was hardly Abrams' only sin. She regularly played the race/gender card, which, too, is disgraceful: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...entality-might I am glad she lost. I may not love Kemp, but I'll take him over Abrams any day.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by markjames68

I agree that a baseless claim such as his was very low. I don’t think either candidate took the high ground which doesn’t bode well for Georgia.

Yeah, I agree. But in all fairness to both candidates, taking the high ground isn't always generally one of the biggest priorities during election campaigns.

I would be careful not to be too down on the future of the state just because the gubernatorial candidates got a little rough-and-tumble with each other and maybe even went a little low during a heated campaign season.

To the credit of Governor-elect Brian Kemp, he has been making the rounds to attempt to extend olive branches and mend fences with some key groups like Georgia Democrats, the business/corporate community and more moderate suburban Georgia Republicans who might have still had some very bitter tastes in their mouths after Kemp's manhandling of Georgia Lt. Governor Casey Cagle in the GOP gubernatorial primary.

And to the credit of gubernatorial election runner-up and former Georgia House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams, she did make a (non-concession) concession when it became clear that she had no path remaining to victory.

Abrams also helped to tamp down increasing talk of a Hollywood boycott of Georgia's Television and Film production scene in the bitter aftermath of the election when she told Hollywood actors and producers not to boycott Georgia.

Former Georgia governors (like most notably Sonny Perdue, Jimmy Carter and, especially, Lester Maddox) have run rough-and-tumble, abrasive and/or polarizing campaigns as gubernatorial candidates and then turned around and governed largely as pragmatic moderates and even forward-looking progressives.

Even outgoing Georgia Governor Nathan Deal ran his first gubernatorial election campaign as a more conservative Tea Party-aligned candidate who, after being elected, has governed largely as a very socially moderate, economically progressive and forward-looking governor.

So history and some of Brian Kemp's signals after the election has been decided tells us that we can be cautiously hopeful and cautiously optimistic that, in the tradition of past Georgia governors, Kemp might govern much more as a pragmatic moderate and significantly less as the polarizing candidate that he ran as in the primaries and even into much of the general election.

[atler8]

Many of us saw through those last minute, election weekend-eve charges of interference & hacking leveled against the Democratic Party of Georgia as alleged by the Secretary of State's office!!! Subsequently, we knew the truth way back then & thus are not at all surprised by this biggie!!!!!
So, what's coming down the road in terms of courses of action to be taken about this? It's a scandal & amounts to cheating imho and is part and parcel of why I have slowly but surely moved TOTALLY away from the gop during my 40 years in Georgia!
I do know that there is action already underway as regards a lawsuit but the details of the suit are unknown by me at this time.


https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regi...3Ssb4CiVtdgaO/

[atler8]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

But one can also say that about the actions of Governor-elect Brian Kemp, who in his capacity as Secretary of State accused Democrats of hacking into the state's voting database without proof on the eve of the general election, seemingly in a desperate final attempt to sway what at the time appeared to be an uncertain election outcome towards Republicans.

I cannot say that I blame him for doing what he did in that situation with his back up against the wall politically.

But let's be careful not to overlook that there definitely is plenty of shame for "disgraceful" actions and behavior to go around "on both sides" as our nation's Commander-in-Chief might say.

As goes your line written way back when that went, "I cannot blame him for doing what he did in that situation with his back up against the wall politically", now that we DO KNOW that Kemp's last minutes charges against the Democratic Party of Georgia were a sham & a falsehood, putting it purely & simply, I DO BLAME KEMP!

In wondering how many Georgia voters were thus swayed to vote against Stacey Abrams in the gubernatorial election, I am outraged!!!!!

[Johnathon Hills]

Originally Posted by atler8

In wondering how many Georgia voters were thus swayed to vote against Stacey Abrams in the gubernatorial election, I am outraged!!!!!

Fake outrage.

[atler8]

Originally Posted by Johnathon Hills

Fake outrage.

No, not fake on my part at all.
But is yours a serious response to what has now been exposed as having been a LIE thrown out at Georgians on election eve.
I would think that Georgians of any political stripe would want to know the truth.
Is winning at any cost worth losing one's dignity in politics or in anything? And what about honor & integrity?

Using a word like "fake" could be construed as tantamount to a cop out.