Georgia's next major city? (Atlanta, Columbus: 2009, apartment, lofts)

[WanderingImport]

Originally Posted by NewtownMacon

Well Macon has experienced more growth than Savannah with last 4 years and I can provide that info.....

Here are my stats along with my source:

2008 Population Estimates

2008 | 2000 | Percent/# increased

SAVANNAH

MSA
Bryan 31,173 | 23,417 | 33.1/7,756
Chatham 251,120 | 232,347 | 8.1/18,773
Effingham52,060 | 37,538 | 38.7/14,522

TOTAL: 334,353 - 2008

CSA
Liberty 58,491 | 61,610 | -5.1/-3,119
Long 11,452 | 10,304 | 11.1/1,148

TOTAL: 404,296 - 2008

MACON

MSA
Bibb 155,216 | 153,887 | 0.9/1,329
Crawford 12,510 | 12,495 | 0.1/15
Jones 27,542 | 23,639 | 16.5/3,903
Monroe 25,252 | 21,774 | 16.0/3,478
Twiggs 10,257 | 10,590 | -3.1/-333

TOTAL: 230,777 - 2008

CSA
Houston 133,161 | 110,765 | 20.2/22,396
Peach 26,736 | 23,668 | 13.0/3,068

TOTAL: 390,674 - 2008

I did the math plus a bit of old fashioned copying & pasting from notepad (because I save this data for myself).. but those are the numbers.

Here is my source: Population Estimates

This might not be for the "past 4 years" but I'm sure the past 8 will do.
I really wish you would look up your data before you start typing and give us the facts.

I'm not talking down to Macon because Macon and its metro is a great area and it is a growing city to boot, but don't be comparing Savannah to Macon. You'd be comparing apples to oranges.

I also wish you would stop telling people what Savannah has and doesn't have because it seems to me you don't know enough to be credible source for Savannah.

Finally, I want to add that I AM NOT trying to get in to one of those arguments like the ones between you guys in Columbus & Macon. I don't have the time or the patience to put up with ignorance like that, I just want the right information to be presented to the people. Georgia is a great state and hosts some beautiful unique cities with an abundance of culture & scenery and just because one city is doing slightly better or worse in population figures than another doesn't mean that city is better or worse off than that other one. We should all be routing for each other and not fighting against one another!

[southgeorgia]

Originally Posted by johnatl

Trust me, Savannah is known far and wide. They don't have an International Airport and $300 hotel rooms for the fun of it.

For the record;

there are no international flights in or out of KSAV.

they have the facilities on-site that would allow international flights, thus the name.


the cost of a hotel room in a particular city is no indicator of its size.



anyhow. . . . i would agree many people know of savannah, but not for the reasons you mentioned.

[WanderingImport]

Originally Posted by southgeorgia

For the record;

there are no international flights in or out of KSAV.

they have the facilities on-site that would allow international flights, thus the name.


the cost of a hotel room in a particular city is no indicator of its size.



anyhow. . . . i would agree many people know of savannah, but not for the reasons you mentioned.

Yes, all true. Also, most hotels aren't even going for $300 a night these days.. that is, unless you're at the Westin or the Mansion.. possibly Avia, depending on the room. It all comes with demand.

Don't get me wrong though, the demand IS still there, we're just not in the boom times of, say, 2006 or 2007.

I'd say the average price for a hotel in downtown Savannah would run you roughly $175 a night. Oh, and also, I wouldn't recommend driving in to town without a reservation. I know for a fact most if not all hotels in downtown Savannah have been sold out just about every weekend which started St. Patrick's weekend.. Savannah's high season is upon us.

[NewtownMacon]

Originally Posted by WanderingImport

Here are my stats along with my source:

2008 Population Estimates

2008 | 2000 | Percent/# increased

SAVANNAH

MSA
Bryan 31,173 | 23,417 | 33.1/7,756
Chatham 251,120 | 232,347 | 8.1/18,773
Effingham52,060 | 37,538 | 38.7/14,522

TOTAL: 334,353 - 2008

CSA
Liberty 58,491 | 61,610 | -5.1/-3,119
Long 11,452 | 10,304 | 11.1/1,148

TOTAL: 404,296 - 2008

MACON

MSA
Bibb 155,216 | 153,887 | 0.9/1,329
Crawford 12,510 | 12,495 | 0.1/15
Jones 27,542 | 23,639 | 16.5/3,903
Monroe 25,252 | 21,774 | 16.0/3,478
Twiggs 10,257 | 10,590 | -3.1/-333

TOTAL: 230,777 - 2008

CSA
Houston 133,161 | 110,765 | 20.2/22,396
Peach 26,736 | 23,668 | 13.0/3,068

TOTAL: 390,674 - 2008

I did the math plus a bit of old fashioned copying & pasting from notepad (because I save this data for myself).. but those are the numbers.

Here is my source: Population Estimates

This might not be for the "past 4 years" but I'm sure the past 8 will do.
I really wish you would look up your data before you start typing and give us the facts.

I'm not talking down to Macon because Macon and its metro is a great area and it is a growing city to boot, but don't be comparing Savannah to Macon. You'd be comparing apples to oranges.

I also wish you would stop telling people what Savannah has and doesn't have because it seems to me you don't know enough to be credible source for Savannah.

Finally, I want to add that I AM NOT trying to get in to one of those arguments like the ones between you guys in Columbus & Macon. I don't have the time or the patience to put up with ignorance like that, I just want the right information to be presented to the people. Georgia is a great state and hosts some beautiful unique cities with an abundance of culture & scenery and just because one city is doing slightly better or worse in population figures than another doesn't mean that city is better or worse off than that other one. We should all be routing for each other and not fighting against one another!

First of all When I mentioned Growth I meant not only pop but in development as well, We can all agree that Savannah does has a bit of tourist over the rest but to say Comparing Savannah to Macon is like comparing Apples and Oranges....Is a bit Ridiculous, because Savannah is Surely no ATL, nor does it have anything so great that sets it so far apart from any of the other 2nd tier Cities. As far a providing facts and information, for those who are late to the previous information; i have created a forum that contains all of development from DT residential to up scale North Macon; including Road projects and new companies opening operations in this area......So Before "YOU" post something you should try searching and reading first.........Most of you guys are so quick to try and shoot down something about Macon, you forget to do SO........

MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS FORUM FROM BEGINNING TO END, Hopefully it will give your clueless mind some insight about Macon.......

http://www.city-data.com/forum/georg...le-retail.html

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[FFG3]

Originally Posted by NewtownMacon

First of all When I mentioned Growth I meant not only pop but in development as well, We can all agree that Savannah does has a bit of tourist over the rest but to say Comparing Savannah to Macon is like comparing Apples and Oranges....Is a bit Ridiculous, because Savannah is Surely no ATL, nor does it have anything so great that sets it so far apart from any of the other 2nd tier Cities. As far a providing facts and information, for those who are late to the previous information; i have created a forum that contains all of development from DT residential to up scale North Macon; including Road projects and new companies opening operations in this area......So Before "YOU" post something you should try searching and reading first.........Most of you guys are so quick to try and shoot down something about Macon, you forget to do SO........

MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS FORUM FROM BEGINNING TO END, Hopefully it will give your clueless mind some insight about Macon.......

http://www.city-data.com/forum/georg...le-retail.html

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If you included the county north of Chatham which is in SC and most border cities across the country include adjoining counties across the border, then you have a metro population of over 600,000.

Whether you want to believe it or not, Savannah has much more to offer than Macon, GA. From developments both residential to commercial, economic impact on the state, airport, local culinary and retail, coast, ports, etc. I could go on and on.

You mention an upscale development going on in Macon. You do realize that Savannah is in the midst of one of the largest upscale developments in the nation don't you? The Savannah River Landing is close to a $1 Billion development.

Swallow the pride. Macon is a great city but the two aren't comparable.

[RandyarmonG]

Savannah is as important to the State of Georgia as Atlanta is like i said the size of a city doesn't make it a major city. The importance of the city is what make it a major city. The population of Savannah has been Constant through the years you can't denie that. Savannah is to Georgia what New Orleans is to Lousiana. Macon has not been as constant as Savannah has been through the years

[southgeorgia]

Originally Posted by RandyarmonG

Savannah is to Georgia what New Orleans is to Lousiana.

I can't say I disagree with that, but not sure I completely agree with it either.


I think many people identify Georgia by Savannah, but you could argue the same about Atlanta.


Maybe a better way of saying it is that Savannah's culture is to GA what New Orleans is to LA.

[NewtownMacon]

Originally Posted by FFG3

If you included the county north of Chatham which is in SC and most border cities across the country include adjoining counties across the border, then you have a metro population of over 600,000.

Whether you want to believe it or not, Savannah has much more to offer than Macon, GA. From developments both residential to commercial, economic impact on the state, airport, local culinary and retail, coast, ports, etc. I could go on and on.

You mention an upscale development going on in Macon. You do realize that Savannah is in the midst of one of the largest upscale developments in the nation don't you? The Savannah River Landing is close to a $1 Billion development.

Swallow the pride. Macon is a great city but the two aren't comparable.

There no pride to swallow, You stated Savannah has "developments both residential to commercial, economic impact on the state, airport, local culinary and retail, coast, ports, etc. I could go on and on." Please provide you facts and info because all i can see is Savannah River Landing and Macon has a project just a large called Providence at town cent re...... Which includes Upscale Retail, commercial, residential and Amphitheater which is broken into 4 Large phases.... Including on top of what already in the works and Macon's Beall's Hill, Georgia's Largest Redevelopment Project Outside Atlanta....

Welcome to Providence - A Family Village
Welcome to Providence - A Family Village

I can provide you a very long list including websites and etc. of all the " SEVERALS PROJECTS" that have been completed, under construction, rendering and proposed in Macon. Can you do the same for Savannah....... Also neighboring Monroe and Houston county has been named one of Ga and the US fasting growing Counties. Didn't see Chatham or any other counties from the Savannah metro on that list, nor have Georgia Trend Mag. printed articles talking about the explosive boom of developments in Savannah.

All so It you included all the MGA counties that reply the Macon area; its metro pop would be around 700K or more.....Macon Serves as a Economic Hub for over 22 MGA counties and some in south GA.

You are so right "Macon is a great city but the two aren't comparable" especially in development....

[FFG3]

Originally Posted by NewtownMacon

There no pride to swallow, You stated Savannah has "developments both residential to commercial, economic impact on the state, airport, local culinary and retail, coast, ports, etc. I could go on and on." Please provide you facts and info because all i can see is Savannah River Landing and Macon has a project just a large called Providence at town cent re...... Which includes Upscale Retail, commercial, residential and Amphitheater which is broken into 4 Large phases.... Including on top of what already in the works and Macon's Beall's Hill, Georgia's Largest Redevelopment Project Outside Atlanta....

Welcome to Providence - A Family Village
Welcome to Providence - A Family Village

I can provide you a very long list including websites and etc. of all the " SEVERALS PROJECTS" that have been completed, under construction, rendering and proposed in Macon. Can you do the same for Savannah....... Also neighboring Monroe and Houston county has been named one of Ga and the US fasting growing Counties. Didn't see Chatham or any other counties from the Savannah metro on that list, nor have Georgia Trend Mag. printed articles talking about the explosive boom of developments in Savannah.

All so It you included all the MGA counties that reply the Macon area; its metro pop would be around 700K or more.....Macon Serves as a Economic Hub for over 22 MGA counties and some in south GA.

You are so right "Macon is a great city but the two aren't comparable" especially in development....

You couldn't be more ignorant on the subject. Both Bryan and Effingham County which are neighboring counties and make up Metro Savannah are not only the two of the fastest growing counties in the state but the NATION. That is based on the most RECENT census. Bryan, Effingham grow strong in census | SavannahNow.com

As far as developments, Savannah River Landing is larger than the one you posted in Macon.

There is great development going on in the metro Savannah area from the many sites being built at the ports and industrial development in both Effingham and Bryan counties.

Residential development has slowed everywhere but besides the Savannah River Landing, the Savannah Harbor is a $300M development on Hutchinson Island across from downtown. There are to many developments to name just 15 to 20 miles north of Savannah in SC.

Retail and Urban development is popping up everywhere in Effingham and Bryan Counties.

Also The Site at the corner of I-95 and I-16 is being shopped all over the world and any day now could land the largest industrial development in the southeast.

It is really a pointless argument, the whole state has been growing for the most part and the Macon area has benefited from Atlanta sprawl. But make no mistake about it, the Savannah area has a much greater impact on the economic footprint of GA and that is a FACT.

[NewtownMacon]

Originally Posted by FFG3

You couldn't be more ignorant on the subject. Both Bryan and Effingham County which are neighboring counties and make up Metro Savannah are not only the two of the fastest growing counties in the state but the NATION. That is based on the most RECENT census. Bryan, Effingham grow strong in census | SavannahNow.com

As far as developments, Savannah River Landing is larger than the one you posted in Macon.

There is great development going on in the metro Savannah area from the many sites being built at the ports and industrial development in both Effingham and Bryan counties.

Residential development has slowed everywhere but besides the Savannah River Landing, the Savannah Harbor is a $300M development on Hutchinson Island across from downtown. There are to many developments to name just 15 to 20 miles north of Savannah in SC.

Retail and Urban development is popping up everywhere in Effingham and Bryan Counties.

Also The Site at the corner of I-95 and I-16 is being shopped all over the world and any day now could land the largest industrial development in the southeast.

It is really a pointless argument, the whole state has been growing for the most part and the Macon area has benefited from Atlanta sprawl. But make no mistake about it, the Savannah area has a much greater impact on the economic footprint of GA and that is a FACT.

It that all going in Savannah....... come on get real.....
http://www.macon.com/197/story/664664.html

http://www.macon.com/102/story/672275.html

http://www.robins21.org/gramp.aspx

http://www.retailworksusa.com/katapu...10/promo10.pdf

This is another project in south Macon
http://www.sofrangroup.com/pdf/Macon...%20Station.pdf

http://www.thesummitgroupmacon.com/l...ng_pdf/262.pdf

There is no way you can tell me that the Savannah River landing project is larger than the entire Providence project in north Macon... I reviewed the Website and its not as large..... Providence project is 216 acres and the Savannah river Landing is 54 acres......Nice try....

http://www.savannahriverlanding.com/
http://providencemacon.com/about.html

I did not list all the projects Downtown.