Which secondary city in Georgia will mirror Greenvilles success? (Atlanta: real estate, housing)

[ATLCOL1]

Originally Posted by brentyoung12

Yea bryant, I agree and have several times said you can't compare Macon and Columbus to Augusta and Savannah because of the reasons mentioned.

I know Columbus boosters will talk about how many more jobs, developments, people, etc. are supposed to be coming there over the other cities, but seriously what is Columbus going to do to make it feel more "urban"? It lacks that more than all the other cities to me.

Columbus looks more like a city of 70,000 than 190,000 to me. It does not look or have as many things as cities with similar populations like Huntsville, Alabama. Someone please explain this, there has to be a reason.

You think of it that way because Columbus doesn't have an I-75 or an I-20 going through it. Look how well Columbus has done without having a major interstate going through it. The question is, what would Columbus look like if it did have an interstate that large going through it? How much larger could it be? I-185 is a well traveled interstate, but nothing like 75 or 20. Columbus would be twice the size it is now if it had one of those interstates going through it. If all of the proposed interstates come to fruition (I-14, I-81, and the extension of I-185 to Florida, Columbus will explode with growth. It has exploded for years with new growth anyways.

[bryant501]

Originally Posted by yerocal

The Reason people from Macon and Columbus get so defensive is because of statements like this “Columbus and Macon don’t need to worry about becoming like Greenville because they’re not comparable in size to Greenville. I could see Columbus and Macon becoming larger versions of Athens which would definitely be nothing to sneeze at if they accomplished this” It as though you are trying to say Augusta compared to Columbus and Macon are like comparing Atlanta to Augusta. When comes over as being a insult or as if Columbus and Macon are nothing growing or has any thing to offer… I visit Augusta and Columbus, I live in Macon and there is no more outstanding in Augusta than in Columbus and Macon. All of these cities are very closely comparable except for a few differences. I feel that Columbus and Macon have just as much potential to become a Greenville or even a Tampa or Charlotte if the leaders and communities would take the necessary planning and collaborations. There no way you can tell me that tourism is what led to most of the huge growth in Atlanta, because if so, what has Savannah and Augusta been waiting on? What fuels Atlanta growth is it infrastructure, and characteristics and amenities is has to offer to developers (Trains, Airport & huge interstate access, GA state capital, less restrictions on developments and No historic hindrances which prohibits modernize developments in the historic parts of town ) in addition to tourism. If you notice GA has a pop of over 9 million, which 5 million lives in Metro Atlanta That’s more people in Metros of Washington DC & Baltimore, MD combined. The reason everyone is going to ATL is because the other GA 2nd tier cities have nothing to offer. If you compare just the states that border GA (AL, SC, TN & Fl) they all have at least 2 cities with major or large city amenities (DT high-rises, transportation and etc). Example AL (Birmingham, Huntsville & Mobile), TN (Memphis, Nashville &Knoxville), SC (Columbia, Charleston & Greenville), Fl (Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami & Orlando) and GA (Atlanta) what is wrong with GA 2nd tier cities. NO modernize infrastructure, NO demanding amenities and small town mentalities.

You obviously think bigger is better or else you would not be offended by the comments I made about Augusta and Savannah being bigger. Bigger is not always better. Greenville is a population of over 600,000 maybe even more. How can you expect Macon or Columbus to be anywhere near like Greenville when their metros are barely half the size. Not all big cities are good cities. Look at Detroit, D.C. etc.

[mrcolumbusga]

It's okay to have an opinion about the different cities as long as the discussion remains mature and sane. But don't let you have an opinion that differs from Disgustasucks or MayorofMacon and they will start with the namecalling and the bashing of other posters here.

[ATLCOL1]

Originally Posted by bryant501

You obviously think bigger is better or else you would not be offended by the comments I made about Augusta and Savannah being bigger. Bigger is not always better. Greenville is a population of over 600,000 maybe even more. How can you expect Macon or Columbus to be anywhere near like Greenville when their metros are barely half the size. Not all big cities are good cities. Look at Detroit, D.C. etc.

Columbus doesn't include Auburn/Opelika. A/O is only 20-25 miles west. Both of these metros work together closely. It should be included in the 2010 census. Also, LaGrange is 25-30 miles and depends on Columbus more than Atlanta. The Columbus CSA is nearly 450,000 with 600,000+ in the trade area.

[CaptainAwesome]

I think Bryant501 has a good point on the Bigger vs. Better. Athens is a really cool town. I certainly want Augusta to improve because I have a vested interest in it. I don't think it's a zero sum game at all. The Augusta commission went to Columbus to see what they could improve on. That's why we're looking at Greenville in the first place, they succeeded. How can we get there too?

Bryant's point is that Greenville while being a great place shouldn't be the model for a town not able to support it. Athens, Ashville or other towns might be better emulated as they would have similar population figures and physical features. It's not like we're competeing for state funds. That's not how Greenville got so nice anyway.

[yerocal]

Originally Posted by bryant501

You obviously think bigger is better or else you would not be offended by the comments I made about Augusta and Savannah being bigger. Bigger is not always better. Greenville is a population of over 600,000 maybe even more. How can you expect Macon or Columbus to be anywhere near like Greenville when their metros are barely half the size. Not all big cities are good cities. Look at Detroit, D.C. etc.

No sometimes larger can be bad but the statements in which where made, in the eyes of people who are looking in from outside would have the idea that Augusta and Savannah are tremendously larger which that is not true. The only reason that Augusta has acquired so much area is because it totally consolidated with Richmond County and then its pop was less than a 100,000 before the consolidation. As for Greenville is not really larger that Georgia’s 2nd tier cities, after doing some research Greenville population in 2006 stands at 57,000 with a metro of 600,000 and a city limits of 26.1 sq mi. That means statistically it should not be compared with Macon or Augusta, but with city like Athens, Albany or even Warner Robins which is has a pop of 56,000 and is 22.1 sq mi., if you want to be technical.
Macon is 97,000 with after the annex of the city limits in July it will bring the pop back to over 100,000. Macon Metro stands at about 400,000 and it serves as an Economic hub for 22 counties MGA which combine pop is 650,000… Augusta-Richmond stands at 189,000 and metro of 530,000.

References:
Greenville, South Carolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South Carolina Bigger Cities (over 6000 residents) - Real Estate, Housing, Schools, Residents, Crime, Pollution, Demographics and More
uscensus.com

[mrcolumbusga]

MSA populations give you the true picture of a city's population. Most cities populations exapnd beyond their city limits which is why MSA populations are generally included because they give you a better indication of what's going on in the city. That's why when people give you the population of Atlanta, they tell you over 4 million. No 4 million people don't actually live in the city limits. Atlanta is considered one of the largest cities in the country. Yet if you went by city limits, it wouldn't be.

That's why Greenville is considered larger than the second tier Georgia metros.

[mrcolumbusga]

Macon's metro is not 400,000 either.

[JLA]

Originally Posted by mrcolumbusga

Macon's metro is not 400,000 either.

Sure, it is.

[hotlava]

Originally Posted by yerocal

No sometimes larger can be bad but the statements in which where made, in the eyes of people who are looking in from outside would have the idea that Augusta and Savannah are tremendously larger which that is not true. The only reason that Augusta has acquired so much area is because it totally consolidated with Richmond County and then its pop was less than a 100,000 before the consolidation. As for Greenville is not really larger that Georgia’s 2nd tier cities, after doing some research Greenville population in 2006 stands at 57,000 with a metro of 600,000 and a city limits of 26.1 sq mi. That means statistically it should not be compared with Macon or Augusta, but with city like Athens, Albany or even Warner Robins which is has a pop of 56,000 and is 22.1 sq mi., if you want to be technical.
Macon is 97,000 with after the annex of the city limits in July it will bring the pop back to over 100,000. Macon Metro stands at about 400,000 and it serves as an Economic hub for 22 counties MGA which combine pop is 650,000… Augusta-Richmond stands at 189,000 and metro of 530,000.

References:
Greenville, South Carolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South Carolina Bigger Cities (over 6000 residents) - Real Estate, Housing, Schools, Residents, Crime, Pollution, Demographics and More
uscensus.com

Augusta city population is 197,342 as of 2007. The metro area is 530,000 people. And augusta is not totally consolidated with richmond county. Southern richmond county has two seperate cities and 2 seperate areas. That have thier own government, fire station, and police force. The two cities are hepzibah & blythe. Gracewood and McBean are the two seperate areas. Blythe city has about a 1,000 people. Hepzibah city has about 8 or 9,000 people. Area code 30815 which is hepzibah has bout 40,000 people living in it. 30815 has areas that are not included in the city limits but have a hepzibah address