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Old 03-02-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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i just did a search on census.gov


it says deployed military and civilian workers for the US gov't are counted back to their home state; it says the data is used to reapportion house seats, so I would assume this means they are still counted in their home city; it does not specifically say, but the census website isn't the easiest to navigate and find answers on either.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:06 PM
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This site explains the instantaneous population shift for Columbus in 2007. It should be noted that every time Columbus has had a dramatic drop in population it corresponded with a large deployment of troops.

US Census Press Releases (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/012242.html - broken link)
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Old 03-02-2009, 06:46 PM
 
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This site explains the instantaneous population shift for Columbus in 2007. . . .
from your link. . .

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Columbus, Ga., had the largest percentage decrease from 2006 to 2007. Its population decline is attributable to a decline in the population living in military barracks.

The way that reads, the decline is only because they're not living on the base any more. That could mean the population decreased because they've moved off-base into the county or neighboring city. It doesn't say anything about deployment, and if that was the cause, I would surely think it would specifically say so.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:42 AM
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from your link. . .




The way that reads, the decline is only because they're not living on the base any more. That could mean the population decreased because they've moved off-base into the county or neighboring city. It doesn't say anything about deployment, and if that was the cause, I would surely think it would specifically say so.
As an ex-military person, the more plausible reason would be, they were deployed. Five thousand single military personnel living off base with a large number of barrack rooms empty would not be normal for the military in any other situation. Unless, there was a dramatic "draw down" in troop population, which does not happen during war time. The same thing happened in 2003, when numerous troops were sent to Iraq.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:27 AM
 
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This site explains the instantaneous population shift for Columbus in 2007. It should be noted that every time Columbus has had a dramatic drop in population it corresponded with a large deployment of troops.

US Census Press Releases (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/012242.html - broken link)

Say what?
Come on JLA....
According to our local chamber we had INCREASES in population during Vietnam era.
I wonder how that happened when nearly everyone was gone.
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:26 PM
 
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well it doesn't specifically say that it was because of deployment, so I guess we can't know for sure. It only says they're not living there anymore, which is the same as moving somewhere else; like a bordering county.

I'm guessing you saw that the population decreased by 5k in another press release, because it wasn't stated in the link, but wherever you read that, did it say all 5k were employed by the military?


according to the census quick facts page, harris co., GA has increased over 22% since 2000, and lee co., AL, over 13%. Maybe the folks from columbus moved there.

i should note i have no interest or agenda either way; I'm just trying to sort through the data that's been given here and come to a reasonable conclusion.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:30 PM
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Say what?
Come on JLA....
According to our local chamber we had INCREASES in population during Vietnam era.
I wonder how that happened when nearly everyone was gone.
That would be correct. There was this little thing called the draft. And the Army and the Marines could draft, hence a steady supply of young men at Fort Benning. Friends of mine who served in the Army during that time told me that Fort Benning was swarming with troops and their family. We no longer have a draft, thank goodness.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:04 PM
 
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We no longer have a draft, thank goodness.

a draft is still always an option, we just haven't needed it.


that's what the selective service registration is for; all men must sign up when they turn 18.

i have no idea where my card is, but i'm still draft eligible.
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Old 03-04-2009, 08:25 AM
 
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That would be correct. There was this little thing called the draft. And the Army and the Marines could draft, hence a steady supply of young men at Fort Benning. Friends of mine who served in the Army during that time told me that Fort Benning was swarming with troops and their family. We no longer have a draft, thank goodness.
Rotation of trainees were NOT counted and Ft Benning was much smaller in total pop than now.

As far as Columbus growth the following makes the point that declines began long before recent economic downturn....

The household income has declined from the inflation-adjusted 2000 income levels. The income level has decreased to $33,453, which amounts to a 17.2 percent decline. The Columbus, GA-AL MSA, when comparing total percent of decline, ranks 4 of 6 metro area in percent of decline for median household income in the State of Georgia. Columbus ranks 15 of 233 metro area when comparing the decline in median income level for the United States.

When compared to other Metro Areas throughout the United States, the Columbus metro area had a relatively low median household income of $40,379 (2005 Dollars). The income level is 23 percent lower than the median in State of Georgia of $49,647 and the median is 21.7 percent lower than the median household income level in the US of $49,133.

As the median income level saw a decline from 2000 to 2005 in the Columbus, GA-AL metro area, the Race/Ethnicity category that saw the sharpest decline in median household income was the Hispanic category. This group felt a decline of 43.3 percent from 2000 to 2005. The American Indian and Alaska Native Race/Ethnicity category has been least effected by the income level decline in Columbus, undergoing a 2 percent increase in household income, since the reported levels in 2000.

Evaluated with other MSAs across the nation, the Columbus metro area can be considered to have a relatively high rate of poverty among its population, accounting a rate of 15.6 percent with a family income under the 1999 poverty level. The Black or African American race/ethnicity population category, holds the highest rate of poverty with 24.6 percent of the people in 2000 living in poverty. The population that is aged Under 5 years have the most percent of people living in poverty in Columbus, having 24 percent of the population in this age category living in poverty.

The poverty rate in the Columbus, GA-AL Metro has increased by 3.8 percent since the amount published in 2000, moving from 15.6 percent to 19.4 percent.

Datasource: U.S. Bureau of the Census.
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Old 03-10-2009, 01:55 AM
 
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Please show me the link where it says their population as of 2009, 2008. or even 2007. North Augusta and Aiken have more people than that. Even though SC has strict annexation laws.

This might be a hot growth area but its not a hot growth area like North Augusta. Or W. Robins would be apart of Macon's MSA which its not. Augusta suburbs are more built up than Macon, Savannah, and Columbus suburbs.
The problem with Augusta is South Carolina. Thats also like the problem that Columbus has with Alabama. Those state won't allow those city's to annex into there states respectfally. Macon and Warner Robins can annex without the hassel of dealing with other state governments they can annex Georgia land not Alabama not South Carolina. They only have to worry about Georgia Laws and mandates
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