April is Confederate History Month (Morrow: Home Depot, universities, gated)

[gt6974a]

Originally Posted by neil0311

Ummm...yeah. Just like all you hear about for WWII was the facism and millions of people being oppressed and killed as they tried to take over the world.

What would you have us discuss about the Civil War, the fashions?

State's Rights. You do know Vermont is trying to secede from the Union. The right to secede is in the Constitution. Then we can talk about those nice Yankees burning everything to the ground and killing civilians.

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by gt6974a

You do know Vermont is trying to secede from the Union.

Having lived very close and having spent much time flying and skiing in VT, I'd love to attend the parade on the day they leave the union and start the People's Socialist Republic of Vermont. No loss to the US except some very beautiful natural scenery.

Originally Posted by gt6974a

The right to secede is in the Constitution.

Can you please quote for me the section of the US constitution where you believe that right exists?

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by LovinDecatur

I am as Southern as the day is long, and have never in my 53 years encountered another Southerner that feels that way.

Now I know your posts to be highly intelligent, witty, and you seem to be a well spoken person. I can't say that your experience isn't real because I'm not you, but then you must socialize with some really enlightened folks or you're living under a rock.

Are you seriously telling me that no southerners are still hung up on the civil war or the history that's come from it, including the civil rights movement? I'm not saying it's a large group or every southerner, but come on. Have you been to Alabama or Mississippi? South Georgia?

Your statement just defies reality.

[Herr_Brush]

The good old US of A was founded on slavery. That the north didn't depend on it economically naturally led them to the path of outlawing the shameful practice more expiditiously.

Equating the South's conservative attempts to maintain the status quo - albeit a wrong-headed status quo - with active genocide and world-conquering by the Nazis is wholly fatuous.

Many Americans object to the Iraq War - should the soldiers who fight in the war therefore be dishonored?

Confederate Memorials are about honoring war dead, not about reviving a cause that was long ago lost and understood to be misguided.

You cannot find a civil war battlefield in the South that doesn't include memorials to the Yankees who fought and died there as well.

For those who want to erase and ignore Civil War history, what do you think should be done with the battlefields? Paved over and forgotten?

[MarcopeteVT]

I bet that there were more people in the North that profited from slavery than there were slave owners in the South

[gaflsc]

Originally Posted by MarcopeteVT

I bet that there were more people in the North that profited from slavery than there were slave owners in the South

Of course that's accurate. Where did the plantations owners go to secure financing & title to the slaves they bought? Boston.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by neil0311

Now I know your posts to be highly intelligent, witty, and you seem to be a well spoken person. I can't say that your experience isn't real because I'm not you, but then you must socialize with some really enlightened folks or you're living under a rock.

Are you seriously telling me that no southerners are still hung up on the civil war or the history that's come from it, including the civil rights movement? I'm not saying it's a large group or every southerner, but come on. Have you been to Alabama or Mississippi? South Georgia?

Your statement just defies reality.

Yes, I have. I have known people that were hung up on 'The War' (like the boys that wore Confederate uniforms to my Senior Prom LOL), but I didn't see it translating into bitterness towards Northerners. We're far too removed from that period of history for that feeling to exist anymore...hence the comment about my g-g-grandad. It may well be out there like you say, neil, but I'm saying that hasn't been part of my experience. If anything, the occasional derogatory comment about Yankees that I have heard were said in jest.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by stars&bars

On Thursday, March 12, 2009, the Georgia State Senate passed bill No.27, by a vote of 48-2, designating April as Confederate History Month. This bill has benn voted out of committee for a full House vote and supporters of the bill say that the measure would be a boom to the state's tourism industry, encouraging visitors to come to the many Georgia Civil War Battlefield sites.
Americans observe Black, Jewish, Hispanic, Native American and Women's History Month......Those who served the Confederacy came from many races and religions. There was Irish born General Patrick R. Cleburne, black southerner Amos Rucker, Jewish born Judah P. Benjamin, Mexican born Colonel Santos Benavides, Cherokee American Indian General Stand Watie-the highest ranking officer on either side, and Major Gen. Camille Armand Jules Marie, Prince de Polignac born in France.
How do the people feel about bill no.27 and should we do more in the honoring of Confederate holidays and history throughout the south?

Stars and Bars? I don't mean to interject myself into a discussion among Georgians, but you (and some others) might be interested in this article:

Southerners looking to share their Confederate holiday -- chicagotribune.com

As my screen name -- plus my membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans -- tips off, it is probably obvious where my own sympathies are! LOL

But seriously, as these things go, this was a fairly balanced article. One thing I DO object to is the notion that Texas and Arkansas observe Confederate Memorial Day (called "Confederate Heroes Day" in Texas) on a date intended to slight MLK Day. It isn't written that way explicitly, but the implication is certainly there.

As it is, anyone passable aquainted with Southern history knows that January 19th is Robert E. Lee's birthday. I can't speak for Arkansas (although I assume it is the same), but I know for sure this is the reason the date was chosen in Texas. And it long pre-dated the King holiday. In any event, MLK day is on the third Monday of January. Which may or may not be January 19So, in this regard at least, I can only presume the reference was either out of innocent ignorance, or else to be deliberately attempting to fan flames.

Ok...sorry to interupt...just wanted to share something!

[SunKing]

Are Lovin' and TexasReb same person? Can't be so many wako's in here, even in the South.

CSA supporters who know their history wouldn't dare disgrace themselves against the known body of evidence about the war.

Consider the correlation among NeoNazi's who always include the rebel flag.

I suspect screen name allow disturbed individuals a way to identify with the real world, even if that world is still really make believe.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by SunKing

Are Lovin' and TexasReb same person? Can't be so many wako's in here, even in the South.

CSA supporters who know their history wouldn't dare disgrace themselves against the known body of evidence about the war.

Consider the correlation among NeoNazi's who always include the rebel flag.

I suspect screen name allow disturbed individuals a way to identify with the real world, even if that world is still really make believe.

I wouldn't even bother to reply to this nauseating, self-righteous, breast-beating rant except to make clear LovingDecatur and I are not the same posters. Even though I understand your question is rhetorical and sarcastic, (lots of things don't fly over my head...Texas boy that I am), I had to address this one.

Your so-called points are not even worth the ink it would take to refute them. I seriously doubt you even know the difference in the Stars and Bars (as a flag) and what you call the "Rebel Flag." Like most of your ilk, your premise is simply predicated on a default presumption of moral superiority based on what you have read in northern history books. You know nothing of the South, nor its history, nor probably care to learn.

Really, if I could get away with it, what I would like to reduce my reply to your post comes down to this: Kiss my Texas Lone Star Bonnie Blue Southern rear end.

Sorry for the inelegant way I worded it, ladies. And I apologize again if I messed up a conversation among Georgians...

Final note to SunKing. If you want to debate related issues to all this? Then I will be more than happy to meet you in the appropriate forum to do so. This one is not the one (but then again, I doubt you understand the concept of Southern manners...and time and place). Still, ALL you have to do is DM me if you want to discuss it all and/or which forum/thread to do so.

Ok...I am leaving.