Valdosta versus Warner Robins

[King_X]

Besides...someone earlier posted the County statistics, they are all much more similar than they are different. If Macon-Bibb was consolidated like Columbus-Muscogee and Augusta-Richmond to include several of the outer/nice/less crime areas....then the CITY crime statistics of each would be even closer. You cant ignore that.

I'm not saying Macon's is lower than the others, I know in most categories it is a little higher than the other 2nd Tier Cities, I'm just saying its not that much higher for you to carry on in the manner that you do.

You act as if Macon is Camden, NJ and Savannah/Augusta/Columbus are like Salt Lake City, Utah.

LOL...Come on man, ANYbody who has spent any significant time in each of these cities (in several parts of the cities) knows that they are not much better or worse than each other when it comes to crime.

In my opinion, while I think Savannah has the edge over the other 2nd Tier cities, their slums look creepier than the ones in the other cities.


AGAIN....The simple fact that you previously used city-data's crime index ratings to show how bad you felt Macon was, but also said u didnt "agree" with city-data's crime index ratings when it came down to Cleveland, let's me know that you're even willing to make double standards to bash on Macon.

[yerocal]

Originally Posted by Bulldawgfan

Here we go again. I am neither lying nor without a clue. Forget about how bad this site beats up Macon... lets look here Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitors sites is not allowed .
In every possible crime rating Macon falls below the other cities mentioned.
In regards to average household income... guess which city is dead last in the rankings? By nearly $7,000 per year?
So, as a matter of fact (yes, it is fact) Macon is substantially more violent and more poor than the other cities listed.
Here is a clue... that is no lie.

Well everyone knows that most of the people who makes the most money live out in the county so of course Columbus and Augusta average income is going to be higher because it city limits now includes their entire counties. The same would be for Macon if it consolidated with Bibb county; it's average income level would be just as high or maybe even higher that the others. You just try to find anything you can to Bash Macon, you need to get a life........ k:

Here is a little proof of what I'm talking about.....

Bibb-The median income for a household in the county was $34,532, and the median income for a family was $43,479. The per capita income for the county was $19,058.

Macon-The median income for a household in the city was $27,405, and the median income for a family was $33,699. The per capita income for the city was $16,082.

Augusta/Richmond-The median income for a household in the balance was $37,231, and the median income for a family was $45,372. The per capita income for the balance was $19,558.

Columbus/Muscogee- The median income for a household in the city was $34,798, and the median income for a family was $41,244. The per capita income for the city was $18,262.

Athens-Clarke-The median income for a household in the city was $28,118, and the median income for a family was $41,407. The per capita income for the balance was $17,103.


If you can see Bibb county Income Level is about the same as others......

[southgeorgia]

Originally Posted by PotterGeek

Also, there's just much more to do in the middle Georgia area.

I disagree.

[Bulldawgfan]

Originally Posted by King_X

I'm not saying Macon's is lower than the others, I know in most categories it is a little higher than the other 2nd Tier Cities ...

much more ghetto, violent and poor

King_9.5,

Anyone with a little bit of common sense and understanding about human nature and language can see exactly what you are doing. It is the classic addition by subtraction argument. You never once prop your fair city up... you are always bringing the other cities down. You never mention the things that make Macon better than other places. You try to show how other places are just as bad as Macon. Here is an example...

According to that very site.

Macon Murder
Is 2.42 times the National Average

Savannah Murder
Is 2.83 times the National Average

come on man, you have to try harder...your own source disputes your claim.

There was exactly one statistic that you could use in all the information on this site. Do you want to know how I know? Because you searched until you found one, that is how. You looked and looked until you found one piece of information that showed that Macon was not on the very bottom of all those statistics. Just something you could use to show that Macon was not the worst in all the categories. I sure hope that you can see how my point was proven in all your exchanges and responses. You never commented on the great Bibb school system or the great parks department you have in Macon. Never once did you mention all the recreational opportunities there are in your area. Nope. You found one simple stat that boosted Macon... only because some other place was worse. How very sad.

In regards to the whole city-data crime listing thing you continue to bring up... it was my opinion that they were not accurate. In my opinion. I was trying to give Macon a break because it falls below nearly every city I looked up. Not only did you not recognize me giving your fine city a slight pass you keep bringing it up. Doing such only adds to your addition by subtraction tactic. Which, by the way, is a very poor method of debate.

LOL...Come on man, ANYbody who has spent any significant time in each of these cities (in several parts of the cities) knows that they are not much better or worse than each other when it comes to crime.

I am very confident that I have spent more time in these cities than you have. In my 30 plus years of traveling for work I am quite sure I have visited ten times the second tier cities throughout the southeastern U.S. than you have.
I agree with several of your posts though... you are not the Macon 'homer' some are. But you are biased nonetheless.

[Bulldawgfan]

Originally Posted by yerocal

Well everyone knows that ...

This is an excellent example of addition by subtraction. If you do not like the data just change some lines to fit your needs. Everyone knows that....

[King_X]

bulldawgfan, the fact of the matter is you said EVERY CATEGORY, and I was simply pointing out ONE area where you were wrong. Which would make your statement false.

But anyway, all I'm saying is that out of nearly all the mid sized cities I have been to in the Southeast, sure there are alot with noticeably more amenities than Macon (Columbus isnt one though...not to me)........I won't get all uptight if someone talks about how much growth is going on in their town compared to Macon if its TRUE (like that Greenville guy who's always on these boards)

but just the act that is sooo much more dangerous and ghetto than these other towns.....I just cant say that.


I would guess Huntsville, Alabama is considered one of the faster growing...safer mid sized towns int he southeast and Macon is one of the more slowing growing, crime ridden ones, but I dont really feel any less safe in Macon than I did there, so it can't be that bad.

In other words.....alot of these cities are being overhyped and alot of others are being degraded much more than they should be, when things are actually not as GOOD or BAD as being made out to be....thats all I cant stand.....but I guess we have to agree to disagree

[King_X]

I mean...I'm even with "southgeorgia" in his disagreement above.

[King_X]

Back to Warner Robins Vs. Valdosta....I would have to add that the mere fact that Valdosta ACTUALLY has a downtown with activities...Vs. Warner Robins which doesnt EVEN HAVE A DOWNTOWN...has to be a plus in Valdosta's favor, but like I said I think they're both pretty nice.

[clearsight]

Valdosta in many ways is a decent small town. It is relatively quiet, has a pleasant, though somewhat declining downtown, every social organization you might want, many decent restaurants, outstanding private schools, horrible public schools. Although Valdosta's population now is around 50,000, the amenities of the town are at the level normally found in a town of about 10,000 population. VSU adds enormously to the upside. The significant downside is blatant racism. I'm white, keep my mouth shut when I hear racial slurs; however, if you are black, be careful, because for example, if you want reasonable service in stores or restaurants you have to dress in professional attire, and act submissive. If you're from the east or west coast, you'll be stunned by the racist bible beaters. If you can overlook that, it's pleasant enough here.

[Goodbye Valdosta]

I can attest that racism / segregation that still exists in Valdosta. I moved from Buffalo, NY, and after 4 years cannot make a new friend. I am black, and the native black Valdostans have no interest in anyone from anywhere from the north other than to get into your business. If you are from a southern state then you are ok. These southern blacks do turn on the northern blacks, unless of course they have family who migrated to northern states and have returned to valdosta. They have cliques with their kin and friends from the south. These people seem simple / narrow minded,and countryish.. just stuck in their way of doing things, since grandmama and grandpappy were slaves. They seem distrustful. Of course the whites keep to themselves. Churches are very segregated... you really feel that you do not belong.There are many, many young black professionals - highly educated and successful in Valdosta. However in their latest photo of the young professionals in the daily paper.... there are 19 WHITE members shown, not one black in their organization. Reason? Segregation still exists in Valdosta. Not on paper but in reality it exists. Need I say more? As well be aware that confederate flags still fly on homes in Valdosta. I now speak from experience.... Valdosta is a racist town. I absolutely love the area, but for one with love for ALL people, living here has been a nightmare.