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Old 03-14-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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According to the Census Bureau's report yesterday - greater GR surprasses the million man mark. Yay!

Oil and Gas Boom Driving Population Growth in the Great Plains, Census Bureau Estimates Show - Population - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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According to the Census Bureau's report yesterday - greater GR surprasses the million man mark. Yay!

Oil and Gas Boom Driving Population Growth in the Great Plains, Census Bureau Estimates Show - Population - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
This article explains it a little bit.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi..._river_default

Living here, I can tell you I feel it. It might also be that there are just more people working, so traffic is getting worse and houses are selling fast.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:32 AM
 
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI
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This article explains it a little bit.

Metro Grand Rapids tops 1 million people for first time as Census shows shifting population trends | MLive.com

Living here, I can tell you I feel it. It might also be that there are just more people working, so traffic is getting worse and houses are selling fast.
Looks like the bump is because they added Ottawa county to the metro area.

This is interesting though:
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Because commuting rates from Ottawa, Barry and Montcalm counties are so near the 25 percent threshold, even small decreases in commuting by 2023 could greatly reduce the Grand Rapids-Wyoming metro area.

For at least the next decade, though, metro Grand Rapids will be four counties with populations that by and large have grown over the last several years.

"West Michigan is very unstable with the current methodology, because there are so many counties where the commuting rate is insignificant from 25 percent," Darga said. "The Grand Rapids metro could be anywhere from one county to nine counties."
So basically the metro could shrink back down to a little over 600,000 if the commuter rates decrease by only a little bit.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Looks like the bump is because they added Ottawa county to the metro area.

This is interesting though:

So basically the metro could shrink back down to a little over 600,000 if the commuter rates decrease by only a little bit.
No, you're reading the article wrong. The 600,000 number is just Kent County alone. Could the metro area "possibly" just be Kent County alone someday? I doubt it, it's where all the employment growth is happening. If people stop commuting to Kent and Ottawa County, it's because they've moved to Kent County or Ottawa County.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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No, you're reading the article wrong. The 600,000 number is just Kent County alone. Could the metro area "possibly" just be Kent County alone someday? I doubt it, it's where all the employment growth is happening. If people stop commuting to Kent and Ottawa County, it's because they've moved to Kent County or Ottawa County.
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Metro designations are derived from commuting data gathered by the federal Census Bureau. Kent County, by virtue of Grand Rapids' urban population, is ostensibly designated as a "central county."

To qualify as "outlying," 25 percent of an adjacent county's workforce must commute to the central county, Darga said. In this case, 25.6 percent commute from Ottawa County, 26.2 percent commute from Montcalm and 25.1 percent from Barry.
the commuter rates for the other counties are all within 1.2 % of the threshold, meaning if they all dropped by a little more then that then yes, Kent county would be the only county in the metro.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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the commuter rates for the other counties are all within 1.2 % of the threshold, meaning if they all dropped by a little more then that then yes, Kent county would be the only county in the metro.
I don't see that happening. If it were even close, the local legislaters would step in and demand a redefine (like they did in the 1990's).

Along the same lines, I find the MSA definitions to be a bit arbitrary. If several hundred people decide to get a job closer to home and not cross county lines, it doesn't really affect the feeling of an area being a "metro area." It's not like it feels like the area dropped by 400,000 people.

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Old 03-18-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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Anyone also notice how the Allegan Micropolitan Statistical Area is now the Holland Micropolitan Statistical Area, still comprised of Allegan County? What makes this goofy is most Holland residents live in the new Grand Rapids-Wyoming MSA.

Many of us, based on common sense, feel like Allegan County should be part of the Grand Rapids metro area. But, because of the 25% commuting threshold requirement, it doesn't qualify, even though 20% commute to Ottawa County and 16.9% commute to Kent County. 20%+16.9% is obviously well above 25%, but Kent County is the "core" county of the MSA, so this isn't sufficient according to the standards.

The interesting thing is, if Kent County and Ottawa County were to merge for some reason, Allegan County (36.9%) would become part of the MSA, as would Ionia County (25.8%) and Newaygo County (26.3%). All because of of the removal of the border along Kenowa Ave., which illustrates how arbritary some of standards are.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Anyone also notice how the Allegan Micropolitan Statistical Area is now the Holland Micropolitan Statistical Area, still comprised of Allegan County? What makes this goofy is most Holland residents live in the new Grand Rapids-Wyoming MSA.

Many of us, based on common sense, feel like Allegan County should be part of the Grand Rapids metro area. But, because of the 25% commuting threshold requirement, it doesn't qualify, even though 20% commute to Ottawa County and 16.9% commute to Kent County. 20%+16.9% is obviously well above 25%, but Kent County is the "core" county of the MSA, so this isn't sufficient according to the standards.

The interesting thing is, if Kent County and Ottawa County were to merge for some reason, Allegan County (36.9%) would become part of the MSA, as would Ionia County (25.8%) and Newaygo County (26.3%). All because of of the removal of the border along Kenowa Ave., which illustrates how arbritary some of standards are.
Wow, that would be huge. And very arbitrary.

I've been to metro areas that are over 1.2 or 1.3 Million people and this area is not one of them.

Allegan County is growing pretty steadily. I imagine it's a mix of new lakeshore people and the growth at Perrigo?
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Suburbs of Grand Rapids
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According to the Census Bureau's report yesterday - greater GR surprasses the million man mark. Yay!

Oil and Gas Boom Driving Population Growth in the Great Plains, Census Bureau Estimates Show - Population - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau

Not sure if thats a good thing or not.. at least in this economy..

It is true however, that since detroit has been on the steep slope to self destruction, Grand Rapids (which traditionally has been seen as the 2nd largest city in the state) is now getting some of its population.. so we should expect to see our population swell a little.

But having lived here for 48 of my 50 years, I can say that the crime has gone up with the population. Something I was hoping we could avoid.
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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IDK how anyone could not consider these areas as part of the GR MSA
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