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Old 08-25-2010, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Howard County, MD
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Two things caught my eye this week: an article titled "the End of Men" in Atlantic magazine, about the rise of women in post-industrial society; and a thread about the alarmingly low HS graduation rate of black males. These made me think back to a paper I did for sociology last semester. Here then are some charts from the US Census Bureau:

Exhibit A: High school dropout rates: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/10s0262.pdf

In 1990, more black females than males dropped out, by 1.7%. By 2007, more males than females dropped out, by 1.3%

Exhibit B: College enrollment: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/10s0270.pdf

The female-male enrollment ratio amongst whites is roughly 1.28 to 1. Amongst blacks, it's 1.84 to 1.

Exhibit C: Income by educational attainment: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/10s0227.pdf

While black women earn incomes as white women of comparable education, black men earn decidedly less than their white counterparts.

So: with black women taking advantage of education in greater numbers than men, and earning more comparably to whites, and with the well publicized statistics on black children growing up with single mothers- has black American society essentially become matriarchal?
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:45 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Two things caught my eye this week: an article titled "the End of Men" in Atlantic magazine, about the rise of women in post-industrial society; and a thread about the alarmingly low HS graduation rate of black males. These made me think back to a paper I did for sociology last semester. Here then are some charts from the US Census Bureau:

Exhibit A: High school dropout rates: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/10s0262.pdf

In 1990, more black females than males dropped out, by 1.7%. By 2007, more males than females dropped out, by 1.3%

Exhibit B: College enrollment: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/10s0270.pdf

The female-male enrollment ratio amongst whites is roughly 1.28 to 1. Amongst blacks, it's 1.84 to 1.

Exhibit C: Income by educational attainment: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/10s0227.pdf

While black women earn incomes as white women of comparable education, black men earn decidedly less than their white counterparts.

So: with black women taking advantage of education in greater numbers than men, and earning more comparably to whites, and with the well publicized statistics on black children growing up with single mothers- has black American society essentially become matriarchal?
The matriarchy of the black culture has been prevelent for quite some time now for various reasons. Some of which are related to socio-economics and others moreso as a result of the politics that extend beyond the community that disproportionately places males at a disadvantage by default.

Unfortunately, some of your assertions are incorrect. Despite the frabrication, African American males collectively earn higher incomes per capita than all of their female counterparts despite their being an education gap between the two.

P.S. the difference between college educated black males and black females with a bachelors degree or higher over the age of 25 is difference is less than 2%

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d...s/dt08_008.asp

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Old 08-28-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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In the inner cities, the culture is pretty much matriarchal...

But even in Africa alot of tribal societies there are matriarchal to varying degrees...

Which is a big reason why much of Africa remains poverty-stricken, primitive, and barbaric unfortunately...
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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In the inner cities, the culture is pretty much matriarchal...

But even in Africa alot of tribal societies there are matriarchal to varying degrees...

Which is a big reason why much of Africa remains poverty-stricken, primitive, and barbaric unfortunately...
I see it the other way round, Africa has so many problems partly because of the strong dominance of males, Africa for the most part is a very macho society.
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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But the development of Europe from 'barbaric' heathen status in the pre-conversion era into 'civilization' was also accompanied by the introduction of patriarchy, in particular, that of a foreign patriarchal faith (Christianity) and its 'sword-arm', sacral Kingship. Very much a 'macho-ification' of Europe.

While the pre-Christian society of Europe was not strictly matriarchal it was not nearly so one-sided as Christian commentators on pre-Christian Europe would have one believe. For example, the fact that we know the names of a slew of male war gods from the Germanic tradition and very few female goddesses is more a reflection of the values of the Christian monks (very 'male-centric') who recorded them and the politics of the time of the conversion (strife-ridden and warlike). In other words, we are less likely to read of Ullr's skiing prowess and Idun's apples (representing balance of gender roles in peacetime) than Odin's skill with the spear and Frigg's devotion to her husband's pursuits (representing the importance of the male role during times of war and strife, i.e. the Viking age with its introduction of Christian Kingship).

Also, to say that Africa has problems due to the dominance of males is a fallacy. Matriarchy and Patriarchy are the difference between who is making the decisions that affect a society's policies, and gender has little role in the way a society manifests it actions in regard to aggression vs. passivity. Whomever starts the war, a man or a woman, it is men and boys who will fight it and everyone who will suffer for it.
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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But I don't think women would start as many wars as men - per capita so to speak, given the fact few women are in the position to make such a decision in the first place.

Nor do I agree with the common view that Europe was primitive before Christianity arrived. That image is largely based on the biased reports by the Romans and Christians.
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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John,

It seems to me that you're speaking about a certain subculture within the black community. Mainly poor blacks.

Based on your remarks it's very clear that you're unfamiliar with blacks other than poor blacks.


Your question cannot be answered because you're mixing the accomplishments of blacks from different class backgrounds, if you will.
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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Its definely true of balck males. Black females are actully makig headway at a much faster rate. Its some kind of culture thing best i can tell. It is all but a alrger per cencatge than most cultures or raises really.
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:57 PM
 
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I even think it is a global phenomenon. Probably our modern service and information-centered economies are just a natural match for women's strengths. I know that some European governments are already thinking of ways to help boys catch up with girls at school, whereas in the past it was the other way round. Girls are simply outperforming boys in this new, unphysical era.
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Old 08-28-2010, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So: with black women taking advantage of education in greater numbers than men, and earning more comparably to whites, and with the well publicized statistics on black children growing up with single mothers- has black American society essentially become matriarchal?
Of course. You thank the Democrats and their big money give-aways that destroyed the black family. I think congratulations are in order.
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