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In our minds we are. But evolution is a subjective thing. I think a cat alot more evolved for its particular ecological niche than we are.
But does any of that have bearing on the concept of cruelty? I dont think so.
I think your opinion on the evolution of cats is quite subjective and probably quite incorrect.
"A cat is more evolved for it's particular ecological niche"???
I don't think it is right to do that to big animals like cats!!! I would think something like crabs or fish would be more appropriate!! Cats and dogs are like our friends or something!! I'm not pro-animal because I'm not a wack-job but cats and dogs are very close animals to human beings! They should NOT be cooked or eaten. Or any other 'social' type of animal that we interact with and feed!!
There are plenty of social animals eaten by humans. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs but dogs get a pass in this culture. Would it be ok to boil a pig alive? It's a big animal. By the way fish can feel pain they have pain receptors. And what's wrong with being "pro animal"? Are you anti-animal?
And what about lobster??? - because that's how they cook them in restaurants. American restaurants too...
Any moral problems here?
Oh, don't forget about eating oysters alive...
Well, a lobster has a different nervous system than a cat, so I wouldn't say there is something terribly wrong with that.
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Yes, most of us would feel disgust at doing that. But again, different cultures feel differently about it than we do, so it IS considered okay where they live. I don't know why that's so difficult to understand.
I don't necessarily have a problem with eating cats. I also know the cats they eat in China and most of Asia aren't house pets, they are closer to feral cats.
However, I do not think boiling a vertebrate alive is acceptable. I don't care if the people who are doing it think it is okay, it is still morally wrong to cause pain just because.
I'm not certain if you are directing the "comparing an animal like a cat to a crab is absurd" at me or not, but I'm curious how you have formulated the idea that a cat's pain is more significant, ethically speaking, than a crabs. I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I'm curious to know more about your argument position.
Okay, using your logic, there is no difference between a cat's life and a human's life. After all, a cat is far more like a person in very sense than a crab is to a cat. Biologically and mentally. So if there is really no difference between a crab and cat than there is absolutely no difference between a cat and a person.
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Okay, using your logic, there is no difference between a cat's life and a human's life. After all, a cat is far more like a person in very sense than a crab is to a cat. Biologically and mentally. So if there is really no difference between a crab and cat than there is absolutely no difference between a cat and a person.
I'm sure that there wasn't any explicit logic in the question, but that is, in a way, what I was getting at - just leading to a different endpoint.
So say you. I have no way of knowing if a lobster feels the boiling water that kills it any less than a cat, or if the bug under my shoe feels the pressure before his body pops more or less intensely than a mammal under a truck tire. I know I can relate to that animals pain more easily than the lobster or bug but I am honest enough to myself that I can admit that those feelings are my emotions and the reality is there is little practical difference.
A fly flies when you try to grab it because its aware something is trying to kill it. If they were as stupid as you seem to suggest they'd just let themselves get splatted.
Thankfully, for people like you, we have science, and MRIs, and have isolated Nocicepters and Opioids, and their connections with the parts of the brains of organisms that interpret the pain.
It is a fairly widely accepted idea that very basic insects may only have the brain capacity to register a level of fear, and that when you get a more advance animal, the capacity to feel the intense, brutal pain that a human would increases as you get to advanced mammals with advanced frontal lobes.
The less advanced the brain/organism, the less the capacity to feel pain to the point where some organisms, even animals, have no pain as we know it (jellyfish -no brain.)
If you refute this commonly accepted science, you're just humoring yourself.
This is just plain sick and sad. We might not have the right to tell them how to prepare their food, but we might educate them in the disease's they can catch from eating animals that haven't been vaccinated. This is exactly why I would choose to not visit countries that have these standards.
I am not a vegetarian, I just happen to know where my meat comes from and how it was treated. This might be there culture, but it doesn't look good for Westerners to go there and be apart of such cruelty. I guess if I was sitting at the table and meat was served I would just have to be sick.
I can't believe that any American would eat,a dog or cat!!!
We do need to clean up our ways here, if PETA would actually target the issues than making a name for their selves, some would take them seriously.
I have no problem listening to a crab scream when being boiled alive, but I don't think I could do that to a cat or a dog.
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