Why is incest wrong? (racism, brainwash, 18 year old, abortion)

[Dollymixture]

Originally Posted by Dusty Rhodes

Why is incest wrong?

Because of inbreeding, the gene pool is shallow thus creating a greater likelihood of Physiological Birth Defects, Mental Birth Defects, and an increased probability of a shorter lifespan.

This.

[yayoi]

Most of us were raised to believe that incest is taboo. I don't see anything wrong with holding on to this view.

If two consenting adults really want to engage in an incestuous relationship they can. However if they're looking for approval then they will be disappointed.

[joeldew]

Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo

I am sure this is true for some things, but not for all. There were of course things in our past that most people thought was fine at one stage but now they do not. Things that most people thought were not but now do. Slavery, the role of women in society and homosexuality are common examples.

something being prevelant in society does not mean they are right and we owe it to ourselves to continuously question whether the prevelant current taboos and ideas actually are what they should be.

In other words: Present good argument for why X should be considered right/wrong. Simply saying "Sure have we not thought it is right/wrong for ages now?" just does not cut it really. Many good changes would never have happened if people thought that way.



I disagree, this is just reactionary I think. What you are seeing is change. Change does not equate to breakdown and chaos and carnage. It is just change. Some people, yourself included it would seem from the above quote, think that change is the worst thing and it equates to all kinds of badness.

Some changes are good, some are bad. They are not all bad by default and threads like this one serve to discuss what we think are good and bad changes... and why we think so.... not simply to write posts like yours where we make it clear we just want to stick with the status quo for no other reason than it IS the status quo.

Take this for example....



This is exactly the kind of thing I mean. There are too many people who simply can not adumbrate what their opinion is or why they hold it. They just come out with rubbish like "It just is!" and they have no idea why it is or even if it should be that way. Even worse the same user then says:



It is so typical of many people to think that someone with DIFFERENT morals to the ones you have actually "Lack morals". They simply do not see the difference between the two things. If someone does not agree with your morals then they must be amoral or immoral. That is the kind of thinking we can certainly do without.



As you can see from the above I disagree. Some people have adumbrated NO argument at all. They simply say what they think and say it is right "because it just is" or that anyone who disagrees must have "no morals".

If you think that is mature thinking, civilised or even... laughably.... not fuzzy, then we have different definitions of civilised, mature and fuzzy I think.

Mate,

This is not an academic journal but a discussion forum - a repository wherein people can deposit their thoughts/ideas. There is no need for research/evidence to support their arguments/personal opinions....lived experience is enough (and hopefully, NOT about this topic)

That said, which part of their "I disagree, incest is wrong" don't you understand?

I accept that our cultural and social lens may be relatively narrow (and conservative) but that's the lens by which we view and construct our world. I understand (and appreciate) your efforts in trying to broaden our horizons by capturing more of what we don't want to or cannot see HOWEVER shifting (well-established) boundaries entails diluting some of what we consider to be "right" and "wrong".

As previously stated, the "sciences" has to be just as profound and powerful as the cultural and social forces if it wants to alter/influence our thinking and affect our behaviours/attitudes. Until then, climbing one's family tree will/may result in injuries.

[Visvaldis]

Originally Posted by yayoi

If two consenting adults really want to engage in an incestuous relationship they can. However if they're looking for approval then they will be disappointed.

Anyone who needs approval for any sexual encounter should instead stay at home in mommy's lap.

[Visvaldis]

Originally Posted by jackinyc

Please articulate what you feel about incest as being ok?
When people like myself say it is "just" wrong means that its self explanatory. Meaning:
What kind of civilization will we become if Fathers/grandfathers are having sex with their daughters? Brothers and sisters having sex with each other. Mothers banging their sons? Our family system would be dynamical ly changed resulting in changing of the UPBRINGING of our human race. What are your thoughts of someone in Ireland wanting to marry their pet sheep? Do you think we as a Human race should explore mating with cows, sheep, pigs etc? This is looked down upon as well and thought of as taboo but what are your thoughts on this? Should a man who marries his pet sheep or pig be able to put it on his health insurance plan as well?
What would the boundaries be in your eyes? Would the father be able to have sex with his daughter when she turns 18 or is any age good enough 3,4,7,10,15,18? what is the boundary?

Incest as taboo is fueled by religion.
The concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' are relative.
If a society...
You ask a question, and respond with a question to your own question.
People do all sorts of crazy things. I don't care if some guy marries his sofa. People kill others arguing over TV shows, people rob for pocket change.
Incest, if practiced between consenting people, should be of no concern to anyone other than the participants.

[temptation001]

Originally Posted by Visvaldis

Incest as taboo is fueled by religion.
The concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' are relative.
If a society...
You ask a question, and respond with a question to your own question.
People do all sorts of crazy things. I don't care if some guy marries his sofa. People kill others arguing over TV shows, people rob for pocket change.
Incest, if practiced between consenting people, should be of no concern to anyone other than the participants.

It probably is of no concern to anybody what you do, but we're still going to comment on it. Just like strange behavior is noticed and commented on. Mostly, when people are too, too strange, we notice because it might be an indication of mental problems. For our own safety, people will notice strange behavior, and usually stay away.

[tablemtn]

There seem to be two different questions here, which are constantly being mixed, but actually have to be addressed separately:

1. Is incest wrong? (Almost everyone seems to agree that, yes, it is - though "incest" isn't a very precise term, since a lot more people are okay with something like cousin marriage than sibling marriage).

2. Should we use the police powers of the state in order to enforce prohibitions against incest?

That second question does not merge into the first. It is a separate consideration.

[italianotampa]

Originally Posted by Visvaldis

Incest as taboo is fueled by religion.
The concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' are relative.
If a society...
You ask a question, and respond with a question to your own question.
People do all sorts of crazy things. I don't care if some guy marries his sofa. People kill others arguing over TV shows, people rob for pocket change.
Incest, if practiced between consenting people, should be of no concern to anyone other than the participants.

It is of concern bc people most likely would have to pay for medical care for the offspring, Medicare...etc....I can't believe this thread has gone on for so long for a few tying to justify their disgusting fantasies.

[Nozzferrahhtoo]

Originally Posted by jackinyc

So whats your stand on the "taboo" of humans mating with animals?

My stand on it is exactly what I already said my stand on it is: That it is entirely off topic for the subject of this thread and I am not about to derail the thread simply because you want to go on a tangent and run away from the current subject.

This is a thread about incest. If you want to talk about incest I am here for you. If you want to change the subject then I will not help you do so. Start a new thread if you like and I will see you there.

Originally Posted by joeldew

There is no need for research/evidence to support their arguments/personal opinions

How convenient for you. If you can not support your position simply declare you do not have to. What a cop out, but one I am not surprised you would take if you can not back up what you are saying.

The greatest amount of change in society comes from discourse. If I ever could be said to have a religion, which I can not, it would be discourse. It is, as a species, the most precious thing we have. It has been said by men greater than me that where goods and services do not cross borders... armies do. I think it is also true to say that where discourse and ideas do not cross boundaries, violence does. Most violence in my opinion is caused when communication breaks down.

Communication DOES break down when people simply shout their ideas out and refuse to back them up with anything at all, and worse make excuses like you just did for not doing so. This is not discourse, this is preaching and screaming and all it says is that you have your ideas and you do not wish to ever change them and that is fundamentalism. Discourse is for listening to not just what other peoples opinions are, but WHY they hold them... and by that light illuminate your own ideas and see if they require changing. I speak on forums like this not to change anyone elses mind, but to have other people shed light on my positions and opinions to help me see if I need to change my mind.

We learn not just from hearing what other people have to say, but hearing what their basis is for saying it. If we are going to form opinions that affect others we owe it to ourselves to ensure that our basis for those opinions are sound otherwise we can not begin to claim to be engaging in any level of intellectual honesty, but rather simply bias and bigotry.

If you want to go around holding opinions you can not back up then so be it, that is not for me to be worried about, but I certainly am not going to be drawn by you into acting the same.

In fact in the political and social world I find it is very useful to show that certain opinions are being held and espoused based on nothing at all and that some people like yourself would make excuses for such serves my ends wonderfully, so I thank you.

[Visvaldis]

Originally Posted by temptation001

It probably is of no concern to anybody what you do, but we're still going to comment on it. Just like strange behavior is noticed and commented on. Mostly, when people are too, too strange, we notice because it might be an indication of mental problems. For our own safety, people will notice strange behavior, and usually stay away.

The concepts of strange are relative. Usually, 'strange' is applied by conformists to people who are non-conformist. "Strange" cannot be explained using reason and logic, therefore that label should not be taken seriously.