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Old 12-26-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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what are the bounds of the definition of incest? for example is a guy doing the mother in law considered incest? whether he is still married or not marred to his wife (her daughter).
What does it do to a marriage when a man has sex with his mother-in-law? Most women are going to have a problem with their husbands having extramarital sex and they're not going to get along well with the "other woman." What does it do to a woman when the "other woman" is her own mother?

Not all sexual relationships end amicably. It seems like a significant number of people just don't want to be reminded of their ex. If your former lover is a sibling or cousin, it's that much tougher to avoid that person.

Even if we factor out reproduction, incest makes for lots of really potentially awkward moments, and I suspect that's where the "ick" factor comes in.

 
Old 12-28-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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Agreed.
Should be taken out back and shot.
 
Old 12-28-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Anyone who seeks out an incest relationship is disgusting.
Maybe it's the forbidden that intrigues.
 
Old 12-28-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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I personally think it is wrong because of the harmful genetic repercussions which usually associate itself with inbreeding.
 
Old 12-28-2010, 10:28 AM
 
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I personally think it is wrong because of the harmful genetic repercussions which usually associate itself with inbreeding.
Birth control!
 
Old 12-28-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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It's wrong to me because I personally find it repulsive as Im sure many other do as well.
That's some very circular reasoning there. "It's wrong because I find it disgusting, it is disgusting because I find it wrong". In any case, I refer to my post on page 3. Many people have said this about many things through history and in most cases, we now look back at those very people as backwards, ie: interfaith and interracial relationships. If you're going to say incest is undesirable for you personally, that's fine. I'm sure I and most others agree with you there. If you're going to say it's wrong and unlawful, the threshold of reason is substantially higher.

Thus far, no one has offered any reason why incest in a context of consent and without the possibility of producing children is objectively wrong and should be illegal. Inconvenient, sure, there are a number of excellent reasons why that would be so. But do we want the kind of society that outlaws things just for the sake of keeping the straightforward.

Come on, people. Thus far I am quite underwhelmed.
 
Old 12-28-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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That's some very circular reasoning there. "It's wrong because I find it disgusting, it is disgusting because I find it wrong". In any case, I refer to my post on page 3. Many people have said this about many things through history and in most cases, we now look back at those very people as backwards, ie: interfaith and interracial relationships. If you're going to say incest is undesirable for you personally, that's fine. I'm sure I and most others agree with you there. If you're going to say it's wrong and unlawful, the threshold of reason is substantially higher.

Thus far, no one has offered any reason why incest in a context of consent and without the possibility of producing children is objectively wrong and should be illegal. Inconvenient, sure, there are a number of excellent reasons why that would be so. But do we want the kind of society that outlaws things just for the sake of keeping the straightforward.

Come on, people. Thus far I am quite underwhelmed.
Incest is more than 'disgusting.' It has implications for the family of the people involved as well. What is objectively wrong for you? For some peoples killing others was perfectly acceptable under their 'moral code'. I think if most people find incest wrong then it stands to reason they'd make it illegal.

Besides, while incest is illegal how often are people who commit incest even prosecuted? They're generally left alone to do their own business. Even if incest was legal they'd still be harassed and hated by others (which I'm not encouraging, but people should still disapprove of it) and socially ostracized. Are you arguing for the right's of the incestuous then?
 
Old 12-28-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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Incest is more than 'disgusting.' It has implications for the family of the people involved as well. What is objectively wrong for you? For some peoples killing others was perfectly acceptable under their 'moral code'. I think if most people find incest wrong then it stands to reason they'd make it illegal.

Besides, while incest is illegal how often are people who commit incest even prosecuted? They're generally left alone to do their own business. Even if incest was legal they'd still be harassed and hated by others (which I'm not encouraging, but people should still disapprove of it) and socially ostracized. Are you arguing for the right's of the incestuous then?
Incest, if consensual, is nobody's business except the participants. Non-consensual incest can be classified as abuse and dealt with in court.
 
Old 12-28-2010, 10:06 PM
 
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Incest, if consensual, is nobody's business except the participants. Non-consensual incest can be classified as abuse and dealt with in court.
First off, sibling or parent-child relationships are not like the r/s between strangers which is on an even parity. There's a complex and unique r/s between the two that does not exist between lovers or friends. If a father and daughter decide to start a romantic and sexual relationship with each other how do you know some of that isn't because of 'Daddy issues?' And what of mothers and sons with unhealthy relationships?

Like I said, when it comes to this issue I don't think making it illegal will make much difference, yet I still think it should be illegal in practice. For instance, if dad and his daughter WERE to be in a relationship I wouldn't advocate forcibly separating them or putting them in jail. No I think they should at least be made to get counselling and pay some sort of fine. Whatever they do after that, well, at least the law has made a firm stand on it.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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Incest is more than 'disgusting.' It has implications for the family of the people involved as well. What is objectively wrong for you? For some peoples killing others was perfectly acceptable under their 'moral code'. I think if most people find incest wrong then it stands to reason they'd make it illegal.

Besides, while incest is illegal how often are people who commit incest even prosecuted? They're generally left alone to do their own business. Even if incest was legal they'd still be harassed and hated by others (which I'm not encouraging, but people should still disapprove of it) and socially ostracized. Are you arguing for the right's of the incestuous then?
What I'm arguing for is reason. I don't care whether it's incest or anything else, but when people start legislating taboos on no other basis than that they are taboos, nothing good ever comes of it. I've given examples but this should speak for itself for anyone vaguely familiar with history. The law should not be based on vague notions such as "disgusting". If you want to argue that incest should be illegal, argue that using well thought out reason. Then I may choose or choose not to agree with that, but what other people are doing here is engaging in intellectual sloth.
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