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Old 01-02-2011, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Good point jet. I define The USA as the land that the founders begin and we have evolved into.
If you read law, you will be pleasantly surprised.
The laws that preserve the "republican form of government" are still on the books.
However, since 1935, and "voluntary" national socialism, few Americans have any knowledge or experience with that form.

We've lived for over 70 years under a "State of Emergency".


Emergency Powers Statutes, Senate Report SR 93-549, November 19, 1973
Senate Report 93-549
War and Emergency Powers Acts

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I don't know about my state...but I can tell you that I love my city just as much as my country!
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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As I grow older (and wiser), I definitely find myself identifying with my state much more than what the rest of this country has become.

So yes...after living overseas, then California, and then arriving in my early teens to this great state, I can honestly say that I love and feel more bound to this state than I do to this country. If whatever fictional scenario took place and it seceded, I would secede with it.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Syracuse IS Central New York.
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Country first.
Then my local community.

As for the state...meh..not so much.
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I love my state but I love my country even more.
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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To me is like asking which kid do you love the most.
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Old 01-04-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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To me is like asking which kid do you love the most.
I think that is the most coherent on point post I've seen from you in the last two years I've been reading your posts.

I agree "wholehertedly"<--- just for you. LOL
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Denver
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When I look at what has happened to this country, the word "love" does not pop into my head.

On the other hand, Colorado is a pretty easy state to love.

I still harbor hope for the country....of course.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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I do not think it is possible to "love" a state or country.

Patriotism is defined as "love of country".
However, what is "country"?
1. The dirt (geography)?
2. The government?
3. The people?

Is it "patriotic" to love someone else's property (dirt)?
Probably not.
Is it "patriotic" to love the government?
Ouch. Both parties?
Is it "patriotic" to love all the people?
Hmmmm.... all people, or just citizens and legal residents...
Can it not be all three? I believe many feel that it is.

I also don't see "the government" as necessarily having anything to do with both parties. Democrats and Republicans just happen to be the ones occupying the offices in said government...in the past it was Whigs, et al...in the future, who knows? When I think of "the government" in the context of patriotism, I think of our form of government, a representative democracy--which was pretty revolutionary for its day and thus far has survived longer than many.

Historically, prior to the Civil War, most Americans would have answered without hesitation "my state".

I feel to a large degree as texdave said...the question the OP posted is much like asking which kid I love more.
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Old 01-05-2011, 04:21 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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To me is like asking which kid do you love the most.

Well, which one do you?

Your own kid, or your cousin's kid?
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