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Old 01-02-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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An no, loving them equally isn't a valid answer.

So what say you?
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Old 01-02-2011, 07:32 PM
 
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I don't really identify with my state inasmuch that I identify with my city.

Having said that, I love my city much more than I love the country.
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Old 01-02-2011, 07:55 PM
 
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No. I am an American first.
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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Absolutely not. I like my state very much, but I too am an American first. I put my life on the line for the USA, as did my son. If it came down to state or country, it would be an easy choice.
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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An no, loving them equally isn't a valid answer.

So what say you?
I love my community much more than my state, but to answer your question, definitely.
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Old 01-02-2011, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Reno, NV
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I definitely fall into that category. I think the US is way too big.
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Houston area, for now
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Country first but I know that each state has different issues that nationally can not effectively be addressed.
If my state or the state that I am living in at the moment, were to decide to emancipate from the USA I would quickly move. If they were to take arms I would defend the US.
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I do not think it is possible to "love" a state or country.

Patriotism is defined as "love of country".
However, what is "country"?
1. The dirt (geography)?
2. The government?
3. The people?

Is it "patriotic" to love someone else's property (dirt)?
Probably not.
Is it "patriotic" to love the government?
Ouch. Both parties?
Is it "patriotic" to love all the people?
Hmmmm.... all people, or just citizens and legal residents?

I do not think that "patriotism" makes sense, since it is most often used to refer to those who sacrificed life, liberty or property in service to the government, whether or not the government was obedient to law and the USCON. (I am still waiting for the justification that authorizes the invasion of two Asian nations, and the destruction of their people and property.)

On the other hand, if one sacrifices in order to protect his loved ones from predation, that is an expression of the highest law of love. And that sacrifice need not be in service to the government, or the interests that run the government.
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Country first but I know that each state has different issues that nationally can not effectively be addressed.
If my state or the state that I am living in at the moment, were to decide to emancipate from the USA I would quickly move. If they were to take arms I would defend the US.
I presume you mean "secede". Emancipation is not what you think it means.
The Articles of Confederation

Agreed to by Congress November 15, 1777; ratified and in force, March 1, 1781.
Preamble

To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting.

Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled did on the fifteenth day of November in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America, agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, in the words following, viz:

Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.
A perpetual union cannot be dissolved.
(The USCON did not abolish the Articles of Confederation. But incorporated them, by reference, in Article 6, USCON.)
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Houston area, for now
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Good point jet. I define The USA as the land that the founders begin and we have evolved into. However with that said I know that I have a different idea of what the founders wanted then say a extreme left or right person. That dose not eliminate my position that if a state was to leave the Union or take up arms against the Union I would stand with the USA
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