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Old 02-16-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Socialism and communism constitute a secular religion.
But somehow free-market capitalism is not?

How do you figure?
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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In the sense that people become tribal about their thinking when it comes to both? Yes, definitely! Great analogy!
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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An apple is a fruit and an orange is a fruit. Therefore, an apple is an orange.

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Old 02-16-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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But somehow free-market capitalism is not?

How do you figure?
That`s easy. Socialism and Communism involve a suspension of rational thought. Capitalism involves only the mastery of fear.
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Old 02-16-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Lethbridge, AB
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But somehow free-market capitalism is not?

How do you figure?
It can be, as well, but does not necessarily have to be, which is what sets it apart from communism.

We've witnessed a retreat of religion in the west, but not a retreat of judeo-christian thought. That is, many people, religious or not, still seem to think that mankind will someday arrive at a utopian state. Salvation, if you will.

And that is what western religion is all about. Communism is not about dealing with workaday issues of people, it's a project of human salvation. The cetral idea is by reshaping our society, we can achieve utopia. That's ultimately a religious idea.

That, essentially is why communism will always be a quasi-relgious undertaking. Communists are still essentially stiving for a utopia.

The free market is a bit different, in that it's embraced by both people who understand that it will never be perfect, nor lead us to any utopian ideal, and by others who do actually think that. I'd put some neo-con thinkers in the same quasi-religious class as I would communists. Not all, but some.
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Old 02-17-2011, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Tujunga
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That`s easy. Socialism and Communism involve a suspension of rational thought. Capitalism involves only the mastery of fear.
Ok, so I guess we have to play the class joke or idiot game!

So, is this a joke or are you an idiot?

Joke or idiot?!?
Joke or idiot?!?
Joke or idiot?!?

If any onlookers want to join in, why not vote, are they joking, or are they an idiot? Lines close in at midnight.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Here&There
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I think politics are thinly veiled as secular religion.
Secular religion? Secular alone already means without religion.

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We define Democracy by giving divine power to the people to determine their destiny the same way Jesus was sent to earth to give man power over his salvation. Isn’t the Constitution just a document reiterating Christian Values? Why are Republican and Democrats so divided over issues that pertain to Religion? Where ever it is inappropriate to talk about Politics it is also inappropriate to talk about Religion. Politicians are Demonized and Canonized the way Religious icons are.
Might want to read up on the first amendment, here.
What's one of the reasons for the colonies wanting independence from Great Britain?

One answer pertaining to the topic is to escape religious persecution. Why would the Founding Fathers then turn around to instill religion?
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Ok, so I guess we have to play the class joke or idiot game!

So, is this a joke or are you an idiot?

Joke or idiot?!?
Joke or idiot?!?
Joke or idiot?!?

If any onlookers want to join in, why not vote, are they joking, or are they an idiot? Lines close in at midnight.
As an alternative, try refuting my comment. That's how you get promoted to the next class.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Tujunga
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As an alternative, try refuting my comment. That's how you get promoted to the next class.
Do you honestly feel like you have a point?

People disagree with you, you therefore feel that they are not rational. Rationality is thus defined by you as people agreeing with you. Go to the OED and see if that is the definition, if not then see previous post.
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:27 AM
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Secular religion? Secular alone already means without religion.



Might want to read up on the first amendment, here.
What's one of the reasons for the colonies wanting independence from Great Britain?

One answer pertaining to the topic is to escape religious persecution. Why would the Founding Fathers then turn around to instill religion?
Perhaps to escape persecution but not religion, The first book printed by the Founding Fathers was a religious book ,The Bay Psalm book
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