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Old 02-26-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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It seems to be a politically correct trend to be anti-smoking these days. No doubt there are dangers when smoking cigs but it seems it is blown out of proportion. My aunt was the heaviest smoker that I have ever known and she lived to be in her mid 80s. And a friend of mine has been a heavy smoker for over 40 years(both cigs and the other kind--you know what I mean). He now has some lung problems but it seems to me that his problems show how over blown the anti smoking campain is rather than an example of how bad smoking is. If smoking cigs was as bad as they say he couldn't have smoked all he did all those years and still be alive. Another thing that is somewhat puzzling is for every toxic element in our lives like pollution, medicine, poisons, etc there is point given where it becomes dangerous to our health. But not so with cigs. Obviously 5 cigs a day isn't going to be as dangerous as a pack a day but that point is never brought up. Also, as far as second hand smoke I think it is rediculous. When I was growing up in the 1950s almost everyone smoked and every where one would go the air was full of smoke. On a bus, at home, in restaurants, etc. Everywhere there was a cloud of smoke in the air yet none of my siblings, cousins or anyone else I know has any kind of respitory problems. Now they are talking about third hand smoke whatever that is. Is 5 to 8 cigs a day going to be harmful?
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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It seems to be a politically correct trend to be anti-smoking these days. No doubt there are dangers when smoking cigs but it seems it is blown out of proportion. My aunt was the heaviest smoker that I have ever known and she lived to be in her mid 80s. And a friend of mine has been a heavy smoker for over 40 years(both cigs and the other kind--you know what I mean). He now has some lung problems but it seems to me that his problems show how over blown the anti smoking campain is rather than an example of how bad smoking is. If smoking cigs was as bad as they say he couldn't have smoked all he did all those years and still be alive. Another thing that is somewhat puzzling is for every toxic element in our lives like pollution, medicine, poisons, etc there is point given where it becomes dangerous to our health. But not so with cigs. Obviously 5 cigs a day isn't going to be as dangerous as a pack a day but that point is never brought up. Also, as far as second hand smoke I think it is rediculous. When I was growing up in the 1950s almost everyone smoked and every where one would go the air was full of smoke. On a bus, at home, in restaurants, etc. Everywhere there was a cloud of smoke in the air yet none of my siblings, cousins or anyone else I know has any kind of respitory problems. Now they are talking about third hand smoke whatever that is. Is 5 to 8 cigs a day going to be harmful?
Most people that die in house fires die from smoke inhalation.

So, some people light up and breathe smoke.

Does that make any sense???
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I've had relatives that lived to their 80's, smoking almost constantly their entire life.

Of course, they weren't using filters and their tobacco was homegrown without pesticides. I choose not to smoke today because I don't have the money to buy the store bought stuff, I don't have the land to grow my own, and it was to damned hard to give up the first time to start over.

But that doesn't mean I think its over done. Especially second hand and "third hand" smoke. To me thats ridiculous.
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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Cigarettes today are a lot different than the Cigarettes your 80-year old aunt smoked . There were probably too many people who only smoked 4 or 5 cigarettes a day back then so the tobacco industry manipulated the nicotine and turned "smoking tobacco" into getting a nicotine fix. They are under some kind of penalty today for doing just that
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default No, the dangers of smoking are NOT over done.

One person - somebody's 80-year-old aunt - doesn't mean a thing. The evidence has been in for a very long time - evidence from millions of people, not just a couple of examples. How anyone could even be bringing this up just boggles the mind. It's a very scary mindset, namely the mindset that each of us believes whatever he pleases. Science just doesn't mean a thing. Is the speed of light really 186,000 miles per second? Let's have a poll on City-Data! If most people don't believe in the speed of light, well it must not be true. What do scientists know? Jeeze, maybe the Catholic Church was correct to place Galileo under house arrest and force him to recant. Anything goes!!!
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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One person - somebody's 80-year-old aunt - doesn't mean a thing. The evidence has been in for a very long time - evidence from millions of people, not just a couple of examples. How anyone could even be bringing this up just boggles the mind. It's a very scary mindset, namely the mindset that each of us believes whatever he pleases. Science just doesn't mean a thing. Is the speed of light really 186,000 miles per second? Let's have a poll on City-Data! If most people don't believe in the speed of light, well it must not be true. What do scientists know? Jeeze, maybe the Catholic Church was correct to place Galileo under house arrest and force him to recant. Anything goes!!!
I'm not saying that smoking is right for everyone, I personally think its not right for most folks. But my grandfather, grandmother, great grandparents, mom, aunts, uncles, all smoke, and we have had 1 case of lung cancer, and he worked with asbestos.

I agree with the science, but I think that filters, additives, and genetic engineering increased the negative side effects for most people.

I've told my son never to start smoking, even though his grandmother and grandfather both still smoke.

Like most things, there is a genetic trait that causes resistance or making you more likely to fall victim to something.
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:29 PM
 
Location: First Hill, Seattle
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I'm not saying that smoking is right for everyone, I personally think its not right for most folks. But my grandfather, grandmother, great grandparents, mom, aunts, uncles, all smoke, and we have had 1 case of lung cancer, and he worked with asbestos.

I agree with the science, but I think that filters, additives, and genetic engineering increased the negative side effects for most people.

I've told my son never to start smoking, even though his grandmother and grandfather both still smoke.

Like most things, there is a genetic trait that causes resistance or making you more likely to fall victim to something.
Yeah, I remember watching a documentary about these women who lived to be some crazy age, and who smoked "well into their one-hundred teens" and ended up dying of causes unrelated to smoking.

But those are the exceptions to the rule. And no doctor will say that you will conclusively get lung cancer, emphysema, etc. from smoking. But your chance of getting it shoots up significantly. It's like playing Russian Roulette IMO, but with even worse odds.

My paternal grandfather is nearly 80 and has smoked one Marlboro Red a day for the past I dunno, 40 years. And he tears the filter off before he smokes it. He still chops wood every year, and he still gardens. And he's still in perfect health according to the doctors.

My maternal grandfather died in his 60s from complications from emphysema due to his own smoking habits. He died a very slow and painful death and it was incredibly difficult for our family to deal with, especially because we knew it could have been avoided. I felt like I missed out on a lot of memories I should have had with him because of his smoking.

Anyway, the point is that I could have either one's genetics, but I care too much about myself and those around me to even put myself in a position to take those risks. That's why I gave up smoking several years ago.

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Old 02-26-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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It has nothing to do with being politically correct. It's a health issue. Yes, I have an aunt who is 95 and was a heavy smoker until a few years ago. There are always genetic exceptions to the rules.

Not only can you get emphysema or incurable lung cancer but it also affects the arteries. I know someone who smoked for 50 years or so and now he has peripheral artery disease -- it means that his arteries are so clogged with plaque that he may need to have a stent implanted to widen one of them. And it will just get worse for him.

Oh--and there's asthma that gets triggered by smoke. Then there are just people who get sick from smoke or have trouble breathing or who get headaches from it. A lot more too, I don't know all of it. I just know that smoking is bad for you and the people around you. I grew up in the 50s too like the OP and there was smoking everywhere. It didn't bother me at all when I was a kid (not that I knew of anyway) but now, I hate that smoke smell and I get migraines from it.
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Maybe...maybe not. All I do know is that I quit smoking eight months ago and my blood pressure is normal again, I breathe better, my sense of smell and taste have improved, and I feel better in general. I have two family members (great grandfather, great uncle - both maternal side) who have died due to throat cancer and one who had it but managed to beat it (maternal grandmother - passed due to old age) and an uncle (maternal again) who has COPD/emphysema due to smoking. Mom never smoked and she is healthy as she can be for a 75 year old.

I was never a "heavy smoker". During the 30 years I smoked, I never smoked more than a half-a-pack per day of light cigarettes. I am hoping that since I smoked relatively light and I quit in my 40s that I have managed to avoid the health problems that others in my family suffered. Time will tell. I have to admit that it was Obama's increased taxes on tobacco that finally made me say "enough."

The second-hand and third-hand (whatever that it) thing is probably blown way out of proportion, but the dangers of smoking are clear. That being said, I support people's right to smoke if they choose to do so.
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I don't think the possible effects of smoking are over done, it's true it's absolutely dangerous. While true that not all people who smoke get sick from it (many examples in my family), you don't know how it will effect you. So even if your other family members don't get sick, you may. I am a former smoker myself btw.

What I think is over blown is other peoples reaction to it, there is a non-smokers soap box that people get on when they talk about smokers/smoking. Even if you're not smoking anywhere near them, there's no chance of them coming into contact with it, some are still pissy about it. It's like they're saying no one in the world would be be sick/get cancer if it weren't from smoking. Smoking accounts for 1/3 of cancer patients, the others are 1/3 overweight and 1/3 hereditary. For people who get it for hereditary reasons, there's nothing we can do about that. But where is the loathing for overweight people? Not just being overweight but a person's diet and lack of exercise can play a big role in it as well. So if being overweight is just as much of a health risk as smoking why aren't they being ostrichized like smokers? It's because there are a lot more overweight people than there are smokers and half the people who are so vehemently against smoking/smokers are overweight themselves. They are quick to vote for raising taxes on cigarrettes, but where is the fat tax? Why isn't anyone trying to put extra taxes on McDonalds to deter people from eating it every day. Or potato chips, soda etc.

Smoking is definitely not the only bad habit one can have. As a former smokers I've had many arguments with my non-smoking friends and whenever they would try to lecture me about my bad habit I would immediately throw their bad habits back in their faces. Some of the things I would talk about is the driving buzzed/drunk after a night out, relaxed condom usage and they way one of my friends drives (been in quite a few accidents). I would tell them, yes I have a bad and dangerous habit, but look in the mirror.

Again, I'm not defending smoking in any way. I'm just irratated at the obvious hypocrisy of it all.
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