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Old 08-01-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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Absolutely. Without question.

The hell of it? Both political parties will push us in that direction. The Democrats are looking for a benevolent economic dictatorship where the state turns all of us into dependents of its enlightened services. The Republicans are looking for economic freedom, but strict social control and an endless series of brushfire wars. In the end, if either party fully realizes its political ideals, we'd have a bankrupt totalitarian state on our hands.

Here's the thing. Unless you're talking stripping government down to its fundamentals such as maintaining the roads, stopping crime, predicting weather, and defending the shores, you will have an intrusive state that slowly accumulates power. All you have to do is look at the mushrooming Federal Code to show how government continues to aggregate authority in ways big and small.

So you really can't pick and choose. Don't like drugs? I don't either. But is it worth it to have the government essentially abrogate the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution?

Want government-funded healthcare? Then you have to deal with the government imposition of rules, plus the gross inefficiencies imposed on the system. After all, before Medicare and Medicaid, healthcare consumed roughly 5% of the GDP. Now it's around 20% and rising. Further, there's the disquieting intrusion of government into your lifestyle, all with the laudable purpose of keeping costs down. I mean, New York City is already trying to tell its restaurants what they can make french fries in.

Want the government to spur economic development? Then you get bizarre court rulings such as Kelo, where law-abiding homeowners get their property taken away for no other reason than the fact that the city can wring more property taxes out of a tract if a nice hotel sits on it instead.

Against child pornography? Hell, who isn't? But in the attempt to protect children, the bounds of common sense were so overstepped that parents taking innocent photos of children in bathtubs were stripped of custody by zealous social workers.

And the list goes on and on. From flag burning amendments to taking Huckleberry Finn off the library shelves, there is somewhere a person who wanted to get the government involved.

It's really up to you, then. If you want a country where you're allowed to live your life in peace and prosperity, then you have to make decisions big and small to not allow the government into your life. Obviously it starts in the voting booth. But it also takes place every time you ask yourself, "Is this something that we can handle through common sense, or is it something that requires yet another law on the books?"
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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I would be delighted to be under 24/7 police surveillance. I have nothing to hide.
You are assuming that the police are honest and on your side. I would not call that a safe assumption.
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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You are assuming that the police are honest and on your side. I would not call that a safe assumption.
Yep. That, "If you're doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to hide" is one of the most insidious arguments ever. It assumes a perfectly benevolent state that's always on the side of its citizens.

Further, if you look at the metastasizing number of laws on the books, then every single private citizen is usually breaking a law whether he or she realizes it or not. I have a friend who is a retired police officer. As he put it, I can always find a legitimate law to nail you with, regardless of whether or not you've done something wrong.
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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I would be delighted to be under 24/7 police surveillance. I have nothing to hide.
Has anyone else noticed that Retroit hasn't been back to rebut any of the responses to his comments ? This would seem to suggest that he isn't thinking for himself and/or has been completely brainwashed by what the global elite have been feeding him. The Perfect Citizen
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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Has anyone else noticed that Retroit hasn't been back to rebut any of the responses to his comments ? This would seem to suggest that he isn't thinking for himself and/or has been completely brainwashed by what the global elite have been feeding him. The Perfect Citizen
Or maybe we scared the poor guy off . . .
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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SWAT Style raid on (drum roll please) organic and raw foods COOP . . .

We really need to get a grip on this.
I would like to see this become a national issue in the next election.
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Old 08-03-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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SWAT Style raid on (drum roll please) organic and raw foods COOP . . .

We really need to get a grip on this.
I would like to see this become a national issue in the next election.
OMG. For once I am speechless.

Did you notice that the newscaster tried to make him seem like some kind of freak for refusing to join "mainstream" Amerika ? And how she cut him off at the end by using time as an excuse ?

We should all know by now who really owns the media. This is truly an outrage.

And did you get a load of those cops ??? They are the borg, resistance is futile may as well be tatooed on their foreheads. I wonder if they are really actually humans or have become completely brainwashed.

Makes me want to dangle my organic food in front of their faces when I see a cop car whilst driving home from my local organic food store. Yeh...I'm a horrible lawbreaker allright.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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So the ones supposedly protecting us are more likely to kill us than Terrorists . . .


-- You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

-- You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

-- You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

--You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

--You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist

-- You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

SOURCE: The Progressive Review
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Old 08-04-2011, 12:48 AM
 
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I would be delighted to be under 24/7 police surveillance. I have nothing to hide.

I respectfully ask you to watch this video . . .



Then tell me how delighted you would be to be under 24/7 police surveilance
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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I respectfully ask you to watch this video . . .



Then tell me how delighted you would be to be under 24/7 police surveilance
Yep. Scary stuff.
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