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Old 08-19-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, NC
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Really... people actually think the pictures might cut back on sales? Interesting. What person with a brain doesn't realize smoking is harmful? These folks are still going to smoke.

What makes me ill are those that do it and then their families sue big tobacco because of their relatives bad choices in life.
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Lost in Space
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Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
Cigarettes, as a manufactured product, should be made completely illegal.
(note where I live)

Tobacco, the underlying natural state agricultural product*, should be left alone.
But the manufactured, advertised, packaged, and adulterated finished industrial product? No.

Cigarette's have NO redeeming value whatsoever to anyone...
and have no justifiable basis to continue to be a burden on the public.

Want a smoke? OK.
Buy loose raw product and roll your own.
Better yet... quit.
I completely agree.

In terms of the packaging --- it is what it is. Cigarettes cause MANY types of cancer, heart attacks, etc, etc. There is nothing good about them. So, if the gov't wants to put pictures of the consequences, so be it.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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It doesn't matter what the FDA forces any company to put on its packaging. Smokers will smoke until they want to quit, or die. Alcoholics will drink until they want to quit, or die. Drug abusers will still take drugs. People who think that McDonald's is high cuisine won't change their minds or their habits. The FDA is spending billions of taxpayer dollars to do things that simply will/do not work, just like the "warnings" they insisted that cigarette companies put on the packages. They are merely another government bureaucracy that, every year, has to come up with new and creative ways to stay employed, keep their benefits, and grow their bureaucracy.

Those of you who think that simpering, useless, self-righteous government bureaucracies should be given still more money and power appall me. Here's a fresh thought - how about, instead, people are personally responsible for their choices and outcomes? Awww, you got fat pigging out on McDonald's fries? Hope you can afford the insulin, sunshine. Coughing up a lung? You don't need a new one, or even that bottle of O2, unless you can afford it. Nailed someone last night while driving drunk again? Your wages get garnisheed, or your house gets confiscated and sold, to pay your victim's bills or funeral costs. Don't like the consequences? Don't make the choice. Not educated or smart enough to know that your choices determine your future? Whose fault is it that you dropped out of high school and never bothered to educate yourself? No one but your own. You want to smoke, drink, eat garbage, or do drugs on the taxpayer's dime? How about Noooo? Hardworking and industrious people don't have the time, inclination, or the money for such self-indulgences - so if you think that they should pay for your problems and indulgences, think again. No more lawsuits from weeping families whose relatives made the choice to smoke or drink or do drugs or pig out. You makes your choices, you gets your consequences. All else is propaganda and BS. YOU are responsible for - YOU.

"Horrible pictures" are a waste of taxpayer money and a pure example of bureaucratic paper-pushing. And I for one am tired of seeing my money spent on bureaucrats' self-serving ideas.

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Old 08-20-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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What are your thoughts on this? I think that forcing a company to display graphic pictures on there packaging is wrong. Yes cigarettes are bad for you they can cause cancer. So is a lot of other things. Some say that the Cigarette Companies have it coming. The lied and added things to their products to addict people to them. Ok. What about chip makers, makers of fast food products and the like? They add sugars, salts, other chemicals to make their product taste better than if it was just natural. The FDA is over stepping a touch on this one.
They are a joke. Established smokers aren't going to even notice and young kids are going to think it's WAY COOL to have a pack of cigs with grotesque pictures. The "government" is totally missing the point here. If you make something "bad and evil" people will be ATTRACTED to it. When you FORBID something, it becomes as challenge, coolness, fun.

The lack of understanding of human nature is mind-boggling.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Canadian cigarettes have had labels like that for more than a decade. Canada warnings

I don't know if graphic photos or labels make people less inclined to smoke. Without arguing that smoking is somehow good for anyone, I think smokers have become the whipping boy for unhealthy lifestyles.
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
Cigarettes, as a manufactured product, should be made completely illegal.
(note where I live)

Tobacco, the underlying natural state agricultural product*, should be left alone.
But the manufactured, advertised, packaged, and adulterated finished industrial product? No.

Cigarette's have NO redeeming value whatsoever to anyone...
and have no justifiable basis to continue to be a burden on the public.

Want a smoke? OK.
Buy loose raw product and roll your own.
Better yet... quit.
---



* This phrasing "natural state agricultural product" should be applied to many other things that can also be fully legal.
Ah, the Nanny State rears its ugly head. In other words, "We, the State, know better than you how to live your life. Therefore we are going to take all personal responsibility out of your hands. While we're at it, we're going to also ban the following items...

Alcohol
Beef, chicken, and pork
Airplane glue
Cough syrup
Pornography
Casinos, lotteries, and playing cards
Chocolate

What's more, we're going to require the following of the citizenry:

Morning calisthenics
The reading of an improving book once a week
Attendance at weekly meetings that encourage you to live better lives
Filling out weekly diet reports so that we can monitor your health

Hey, I don't smoke. And I don't want to smell cigarette smoke in my office, an elevator, a movie theater or a restaurant. But if somebody wants to fire up in their own home or vehicle or open area, it's just not my damned business. And it's not yours, either.
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Old 08-20-2011, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Winston-Salem
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
Cigarettes, as a manufactured product, should be made completely illegal.
(note where I live)

Tobacco, the underlying natural state agricultural product*, should be left alone.
But the manufactured, advertised, packaged, and adulterated finished industrial product? No.

Cigarette's have NO redeeming value whatsoever to anyone...
and have no justifiable basis to continue to be a burden on the public.

Want a smoke? OK.
Buy loose raw product and roll your own.
Better yet... quit.
---


* This phrasing "natural state agricultural product" should be applied to many other things that can also be fully legal.
It is an agricultural product. So is sugar. So is cocoa. They go though a manufacturing process. Should they fall under the same rules. Showing over weight kids inside after early death? The fat around the heart leading to early deaths. Or maybe we should show the teeth of young that consumed this "safe" product. I think that if you do one do them all. Maybe they (manufactures of products like these) will just package them in white packaging. What a day of shopping that would be. Them we must look at the rating system for movies, tv and other visual venues. Would this packaging fall under the same rules as playboy and other mags that are behind the counter and have a cover so the young eyes will not see nature??? That would be a hoot. Put it on tho warn then cover it up. It is a bunch of over regulation that will do nothing what so ever!!! I do not think that just because it is processed it should fall under an advertising picture rule. Would the FDA not better serve the public and the consumer to say that Cigeratte Manufacturers list the ingedents. Place warnings on the packages (they do that). Restrict the purchases to persons underage (they do that). And then enforce the rules at the point of purchase. Once the product leaves thier hands and into the sellers. It should fall on the store. Remeber they do not have advertising venues as everyone else has legally. So, everyone really needs to sit on the couch, eat a few chips. Chase them down with a cold soda or beer. And really see past the SMOKE the FDA is putting out. By the way how are they going to do this to cigars???
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Old 08-21-2011, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Most people that smoke know it has ramifications.
The sale of pouches or other cover-ups will probably escalate just so the ugly pictures don't show.
I have to agree that that it might be better for the ingredients to be listed as that same 'most' may have no idea what the added chemicals are and maybe, just maybe, that would have more influence in making an informed decision to quit since there are a great many people that will resist doing something just because they are being told not to.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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I wish the government would leave the tobacco compaines alone. Either make cigarettes illegal or get the hell off of Big Tobacco's back. It's free enterprise in a capitalist society, so I feel the cig companies have the right to market and sell their product, unfettered by Nanny State legislation.
Personallly, I don't smoke, and I feel cigarettes are probably pretty bad for you. It's just that putting warning lables that smack of scare tactics on tobacco products is a slippery slope: what product will be next? Who's to say that in the future some lobbyists won't coerce Congress into putting warning lables on a product simply because it is the competition of the lobbyists' employers?
When government sticks its big nose into anything like this, I'm always reminded of the movie "Demolition Man" where all fast-food, sex, red meat and using foul language were all illegal and the only music that allowed to be played was commercial jingles.

"That's right, people: I smoke, I drink, and in fact I only eat red meat that comes from cows who smoke!"
Denis Leary
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Old 08-21-2011, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Canadian cigarettes have had labels like that for more than a decade. Canada warnings

I don't know if graphic photos or labels make people less inclined to smoke. Without arguing that smoking is somehow good for anyone, I think smokers have become the whipping boy for unhealthy lifestyles.
And with good reason.
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