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Old 04-23-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Those comments sound envies.

Accomplishments are documented in History books. That's not enough, elders must jump to the forefront and lead the youth. Senseless critiquing stymies growth.

Physicality was addressed a few times in the prior communication which does lead one to consider that there is much envy. I think this generation is doing fine but they need their elder statesmen, like you, to guide them versus looking at them with animosity.
I don't think his/her comments were "envies" (sic) at all. You are the only person I hear here claiming the older generations "envy" the younger. I know many older people who don't like the direction the world/technology/society seems to be headed and are glad they won't be around but a couple more decades. That's not "envy"!
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:13 AM
 
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For those who do not feel like our culture is on the decline, what world are you living in? Either you do not have a firm grasp on history, or you are too young to realize what is going on.

Our families are being torn apart (especially in the Black community), flash mobs are roaming our streets, the billboard charts feature songs titled "Booty Meat", our rights are rapidly eroding, racial tension is more intense than I've ever experienced, we are $15 trillion in debt yet we refuse to support politicians who will cut spending, we have lost our sense of community, we sit at home and watch "The Kardashians" while perpetual warfare is waged overseas, a veteran kills himself every 85 minutes, etc. Apathy is killing us.

In the 60's, people got up off the couch and demanded an end to the Vietnam War. We are 11 years in to our undeclared wars, and we still haven't seen a march on Washington. Why would the youth march when they have XBox, the NFL, American Idol, Grey's Anatomy, and Lady Gaga to occupy their minds?
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:22 PM
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Location: My ranch
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The american culture started it downslide in 1913 with the passing of the 16th Amendment. it allowed the federal goverment to do more than it was intended to do.

people say that taxes are alllowed according to the Constitution, just with representation. if that is true, then the 16th Amendment needd not ever be passed at all.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:14 PM
 
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The "community culture presumed in the 1950s had legal segregation, rampant sexism, criminal penalties for gay people, on and on.
I do think there used to be more community life- everywhere- until the twins of general car ownership and TV came into being- privatizing a lot of what had been public life. That trend is only accelerated by more technology (and highways/suburbs) where everything can be private, including porno in ones own home via the internet, lack of public spaces (gated communities, commutes, highways), eroding of public transport.
On the other hand, losing these ties has created unprecedented personal freedom. A person in a small town pre-car, pre-Tv had to conform *a lot* or else be driven out of town, shunned, beaten up, whatever. No info or exposure to anything except what was in front of them.
I'd say that people as a whole have had some difficulty with unprecendented freedom. Not sure I'd want to give it up, though.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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I am a woman and will agree, a working woman equates a woman not having too much time "effecting" the family (kids especially) (and I am guilty of that too) & its household has caused many disruption to the social failures of the American families.

What is more positive for the child???
Their mom as an example (& hopefully setting a good one) or that impersonal daycare???

Say if mothers weren't too involved w/ that boy's care... he may grow up thinking its OK for their wives also not being around, equates to a loss of bonding that could result in a divorce???]

Or say that divorced child with their counselor "making light" & saying its OK for their parents to be divorced... equates its also "OK" no big deal for them to divorce their spouse in turn (hence divorce rate is on the rise especially if one of the spouse has parents divorced).

They don't call it a "vicious circle" effect for nothing... all it takes is just something to get the ball rolling.
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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For those who do not feel like our culture is on the decline, what world are you living in? Either you do not have a firm grasp on history, or you are too young to realize what is going on.

Our families are being torn apart (especially in the Black community), flash mobs are roaming our streets, the billboard charts feature songs titled "Booty Meat", our rights are rapidly eroding, racial tension is more intense than I've ever experienced, we are $15 trillion in debt yet we refuse to support politicians who will cut spending, we have lost our sense of community, we sit at home and watch "The Kardashians" while perpetual warfare is waged overseas, a veteran kills himself every 85 minutes, etc. Apathy is killing us.

In the 60's, people got up off the couch and demanded an end to the Vietnam War. We are 11 years in to our undeclared wars, and we still haven't seen a march on Washington. Why would the youth march when they have XBox, the NFL, American Idol, Grey's Anatomy, and Lady Gaga to occupy their minds?
Agree, but if you read on P and OC all you see is nasty rebukes by older people to protestors, and others who dont accept status quo.

imo reality tv and trash media in the past ten years has GREATLY contributed to yet even more dumbing down of generation Z, teenagers, etc.

If I had a child I would NOT want them watching the garbage that passes for news and "entertainment" in American media today.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:57 PM
 
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America is producing tons of waste that passes as culture, but none of it has any intention other than as a momentary advert or marketing ploy for a product, belief or person.

Advertising in the fifties was new and snappy and for stuff, advertising today is everything and everywhere. You cannot get away from someone or something trying to convince you y is better than z. People now curtly, expressly market themselves without any concern for substance or the reality beyond the perception that they must sell themselves. I don't mean prostitution in the strictest sense (necessarily), but there is a great deal behind an ethos that demands that people treat themselves foremost as commodities rather than as merely another human being with functional skills.

Then there is intellect versus memorizing. Education for all is good to a point but when you convince everyone that they too are an Einstein... it's just not so, but promulgated theory says it is and the result is you get a fragmented personality that must know so much and understand it all all while simply going about life as an ordinary cit hoping to come out looking like a movie star.

Another thought is that I believe American culture is purposely being twisted into this snap-attend, snap-attend mentality if only to keep people confused and disoriented as much as possible due to the obvious social and political changes on the horizon.
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: NJ
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No.

Three hundred years ago we had the Salem Witch trials. Was the culture really better then?

A couple of hundred years ago American culture thought nothing of stealing from and murdering an entire indigenous culture in order to take over its land. Entire civilizations were viewed as nothing but vermin. Men women and children were massacred. Was the culture really better then?

Slavery. Yes that WAS American culture. People owned people like we currently own furniture.

100 years ago women were little more than the property of their husbands or fathers. They couldn't vote and had few rights and little recourse when abused.

Child labor laws weren't enacted until 1938. Before then small children were actively used in such light industries as coal mining, agriculture and textile manufacturing. Was that part of the much cherished and lauded "American family life"?

Lynching. Hard to believe but the last recorded one was in 1968. In its heyday lynchings drew big crowds looking for amusement, people even sold postcards of them. Watching people being hung or burned to death by a jeering crowd is evidence of culture? Watching the Kardashians may be dumb but it doesn't even come close to that kind of depravity.

Plenty of modern day diversions may be banal, dumb, boring and crude. But no, I don't think the US is sliding into the cultural abyss.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:29 PM
 
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True, about money and indoctri... education. Still, having a bunch of greased wheels makes for a population full of complexities that are easily maneuvered to some tailored end that keeps cluttered a perpetually distracted mind, just as the polar opposite, ignorance, the unawareness of so many things creates blind faith. But sure, this is a supposed democracy in the U.S.A, even if the proffered choices are bountifully limited.

One could argue that tempting a native poulation to live as de facto criminals across a border by emigrating to a promised land while having them toil away as minimum-wage slaves could be a modern take on slavery, albeit a bit more compassionate. Certainly, that is a sweet juxtaposition of cultural values and output via necessity. And the immediate financial gains are lucrative. Politically, on many fronts, much can be garnered from the influx and all that it brings

Lynching is mostly done for, but incarceration through needy happenstance and the lack of viable alternatives cemented by culture is another matter.

Culture and superstition are intermingled well. One could say of the Kardashians that they simply popularize one simplistic facet to the world while cherishing themselves in privacy, with the loot, more intimately. Or one can see a modern malaise of silly vapidity broadcast to keep the populace enthralled thru self-important voyeurism. Is it better to have multimedia conglomerates in command of culture for whatever types of profit (money, social persuasion, political influence) or not?

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Old 05-07-2012, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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[quote=tim6624;24016673]For those who do not feel like our culture is on the decline, what world are you living in? Either you do not have a firm grasp on history, or you are too young to realize what is going on.

Our families are being torn apart (especially in the Black community), flash

My gf is a professor and pays very high tuition so that her elemenatry school age kids can go to boarding school and actually read literature instead of being shown hollywood movies in a social studies class.

No wonder Asian Americans are top of the class.

American "values" of 25 cars and MTV "hot cribs" is a sick and sad reflection of what America has become. It doesn't seem to be getting better either. Even just ten years ago, tv wasn't filled with trash for cash to the degree it is these days. I feel very sad for young kids today. Who is their role model?
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