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Old 10-17-2012, 08:48 PM
 
Location: The State Line
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WHAT??? Criminal lawyers work to keep their clients out of prison, regardless of how many heinous crimes they may have committed. That's what they (you?) do. How can those lawyers sleep at night, knowing they tried (or succeeded) to keep a killer out of jail?

You can talk all about various sources to support your claims, but the fact is I could not look at myself in the mirror if I defended a rapist or murderer, especially for money.

Your other points have been addressed in previous posts.
Criminal lawyers are only defenders? Ever heard of prosecutors? There's two sides in every courtroom.
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Doctors heal people, lawyers steal from people.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:17 AM
 
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Criminal lawyers are only defenders? Ever heard of prosecutors? There's two sides in every courtroom.
My understanding is that criminal lawyer is the term used for attorneys who are working for the defense, and prosecutor is the term used for attorneys who are working for the people. If that's incorrect, I apologize. "Defense attorney" may be the term I'm thinking of. BUT if "criminal lawyers" is the term used to describe both, then the post I responded to was intentionally misleading by implying that all criminal lawyers are prosecutors.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:07 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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My understanding is that criminal lawyer is the term used for attorneys who are working for the defense, and prosecutor is the term used for attorneys who are working for the people. If that's incorrect, I apologize. "Defense attorney" may be the term I'm thinking of. BUT if "criminal lawyers" is the term used to describe both, then the post I responded to was intentionally misleading by implying that all criminal lawyers are prosecutors.
The term "trial attorney" also denotes the defense bar.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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My understanding is that criminal lawyer is the term used for attorneys who are working for the defense, and prosecutor is the term used for attorneys who are working for the people. If that's incorrect, I apologize. "Defense attorney" may be the term I'm thinking of. BUT if "criminal lawyers" is the term used to describe both, then the post I responded to was intentionally misleading by implying that all criminal lawyers are prosecutors.
Your posts portray a high degree of ignorance about the legal profession and what it does. Perhaps, before posting here more and revealing additional ignorance you ought to first educate yourself a bit. Its not hard if you are motivated to do it as opposed to just popping off with the first thought that enters your head. I'd be more than happy to suggest some literature.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Many people are obviously guilty. Jared Loughner (Phoenix shooter) and the Batman movie shooter a few months ago are a couple well known cases where the guilt of the perp isn't questioned. There are many lesser known cases as well.
Not quite. It's not that cut-and-dried. While there may be no doubt that the individual committed the crime, there are also, or can be, matters in mitigation and/or extenuation. Not guilty by reason of insanity can be a viable defense. It's allowed in American jurisprudence and therefore cannot be ignored. Like I said, it's not always that simple.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Your posts portray a high degree of ignorance about the legal profession and what it does. Perhaps, before posting here more and revealing additional ignorance you ought to first educate yourself a bit. Its not hard if you are motivated to do it as opposed to just popping off with the first thought that enters your head. I'd be more than happy to suggest some literature.
Quite frankly, I think you could put all that a bit more maturly by leaving out the insults. They don't really add to the discussion. Let's face it, these matters can be very emotional for some. Try taking that into consideration before attempting to belittle another poster please. I mean, you're beginning to sound like an attorney.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:46 PM
 
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Quite frankly, I think you could put all that a bit more maturly by leaving out the insults. They don't really add to the discussion. Let's face it, these matters can be very emotional for some. Try taking that into consideration before attempting to belittle another poster please. I mean, you're beginning to sound like an attorney.
Your point is well taken, but its hard to have a discussion with a person who believes, in his own words, that 99 out of 100 lawsuits are not cases at all. If I were to make such an extravagant statement, I'd at least look for some supporting authority. The fact that he does not speaks volumes.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:39 AM
 
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I like qualified CPA's way better than doctors and lawyers. I'll take a good money grubber (who's working on my behalf) over a drug peddler and great debater any day!
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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Your posts portray a high degree of ignorance about the legal profession and what it does. Perhaps, before posting here more and revealing additional ignorance you ought to first educate yourself a bit. Its not hard if you are motivated to do it as opposed to just popping off with the first thought that enters your head. I'd be more than happy to suggest some literature.
It says a lot to me that you can't seem to post without making it a personal attack on me, and without making a bunch of assumptions that also have no basis. You're focused on one comment I made as if it is the entirety of my being. Get over yourself.

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Not quite. It's not that cut-and-dried. While there may be no doubt that the individual committed the crime, there are also, or can be, matters in mitigation and/or extenuation. Not guilty by reason of insanity can be a viable defense. It's allowed in American jurisprudence and therefore cannot be ignored. Like I said, it's not always that simple.
I understand all that. But my original point to you was only that guilt is obvious in some cases. The rest is legal maneuvering on both sides, and has nothing to do with punishing the guilty, or more importantly, protecting the public from them.
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