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10-11-2012, 08:53 PM
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I think we're aware of the stereotypes involving the "life-saver" doctors, and "pond-scum" lawyers; and generally, it's assumed doctors are "better."
I'm not denying there are good doctors, as there certainly are many. I'm also not denying there are lawyers that are only after your money. But there are also good lawyers out there who actually do care about their clients and aren't necessarily striking it rich either, as well as doctors that take advantage of patients. You seek out services from lawyers. You go to them when you need them. They will not "make" you see them. Doctors make or expect you to see them (whether you need to, want to or not) with appointments, check-ups, etc. There are an abundance of clinics opening in America in recent years. Are they really for convenience, or are they taking for granted the declining health of Americans? Do we really need all these treatments, preventive measures, supplements, or are they underhanded ways of making money (by convincing us our doctors are trying to "help" us)?
As much as I love my doctor, and haven't needed a lawyer myself, my overall point is people generally make the doctor vs. lawyer divide far too black and white. Let's not pretend all doctors are really after our best interest, and that there aren't actually lawyers who really are after our best interest.
Thoughts?
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10-11-2012, 09:18 PM
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Excellent question and debate idea.
Medical school trains men and women to better, or save, people's lives. Unfortunately, a) there are people who are in it for the money, b) some people in this field get tired and cranky, and c) the power gives some a "God complex." I have had some doctors I didn't like. I traded them in. One has to be an astute consumer, even with their doctors. The thing I strive to do is stay out of the doctor's office.
Law school trains men and women to argue a particular side of an equation. I forgot who said "Where law ends, tyranny begins." This is true, but in training people to argue both sides of an issue, one party is inherently overstepping this adage. I've seen how law school has transformed some of my friends in 3 years, and not always for the better.
Both professions are among the most arrogant, but medicine, in the end, always strives to be, and is characterized, a helping profession. That cannot be said about law.
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10-11-2012, 10:06 PM
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99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name
A lawyer told me that.
Not so hot on most doctors either... Give me a good nurse any day.
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10-12-2012, 03:30 AM
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Its a stereotype. There are a lot of classy lawyers and there are a lot of scummy doctors....BUT, are there MORE scummy doctors or scummy lawyers?
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10-12-2012, 06:44 AM
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Doctors are essentially the "good guys"; they save lives, make people better, help people, etc. Lawyers do some of these things too, but the flip side is that there are so many people who've been on the receiving end of a lawyer's work, where the lawyer is after them, so this is why lawyers are so looked down on. It doesn't help that there are those lawyers that are unethical and/or dishonest and make the rest of them look bad. Doctors can be unethical and dishonest too and they can't always "save somebody" or "help somebody", but for the most part, doctors appear to have been largely overlooked from mass displays of dissatisfaction from the public unlike lawyers.
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10-12-2012, 01:28 PM
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Doctors don't chase ambulances.
Doctors don't set the pharmacy prices.
Doctors who work for hospitals have to meet their employers terms, they don't set the prices.
Doctors take an oath to do no harm.
I've met several doctors (my wife is a nurse - currently working with pediatrics), none of who every go out of their way to "screw" anyone... no "lessons" to teach anyone.
I've never met a lawyer who doesn't work of their own agenda and actually try to do good for society just for doing good's sake. I'm sure there may still be some newer ones out there with an idealistic view, but the other lawyers, judges, and judicial system will work that out of them soon enough.
A doctor after 20 years is still in for doing good for his/her patients. I haven't met a lawyer yet where I could say the same thing.
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10-12-2012, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wall st kid
BUT, are there MORE scummy doctors or scummy lawyers?
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More scummy lawyers.
The attrition rate from medicine is negligible. The attrition rate from law is more significant. I don't know any doctors who have voluntarily walked away. I know several attorneys, from kick ass law schools, who have voluntarily walked away. They were very bright and capable of handling law school and the bar exam, but eventually figured out that the work or the general environment was not to their liking. In all of the cases I know, these people were almost too nice to be lawyers. I could more easily visualize them putting a stethoscope to my chest. |
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10-12-2012, 05:27 PM
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There shouldn't be any argument. Which profession turns out the most politicians? The answer to that should settle the issue.
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10-12-2012, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon
There shouldn't be any argument. Which profession turns out the most politicians? The answer to that should settle the issue.
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I didn't think of that spin, meaning I would have not been suitable for the legal profession. That's hilarious. |
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10-14-2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon
There shouldn't be any argument. Which profession turns out the most politicians? The answer to that should settle the issue.
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In theory, all doctors involved with patients are tasked with helping those people. So are many types of lawyers who sort through the laws for laypeople, i.e. tax lawyers, business attorneys, estate lawyers, etc. OTOH, criminal attorneys, among others, spend their time working the law for their client's benefit. In my view, the difference is that criminal attorneys aren't as concerned with what is right or just as they are with winning and profiting. IMHO, this is why people don't like lawyers. That, and I hate feeling helpless, such as in any situation I need to hire a lawyer for.
This is about the professions in general, not how they're actually practiced.
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