U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-18-2012, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
3,813 posts, read 3,530,139 times
Reputation: 3962

Advertisements

Not a day goes by where there isn't a news article about the consequences of drug and alcohol use. This person ran over and killed that person. Naked man goes berserk, killing family and friends. Et al.

So, the question, how much better would society be, if alcohol and drugs were never invented/founded. The financial, social, and moral implications?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-18-2012, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
26,346 posts, read 80,765,097 times
Reputation: 17411
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil306 View Post
Not a day goes by where there isn't a news article about the consequences of drug and alcohol use. This person ran over and killed that person. Naked man goes berserk, killing family and friends. Et al.

So, the question, how much better would society be, if alcohol and drugs were never invented/founded. The financial, social, and moral implications?
Didn't some cultures not have alcohol, American Indians? I don't know. Some jungle people in South America?

Also, there are a lot of violent, criminal acts that occur that have nothing to do with alcohol or drugs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-18-2012, 02:57 PM
 
568 posts, read 816,928 times
Reputation: 1071
Alcohol = drug.

Why do people continue to separate the two? Because alcohol is legal? Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's not a drug.

I agree with Charles.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-18-2012, 03:16 PM
 
488 posts, read 337,882 times
Reputation: 238
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil306 View Post
Not a day goes by where there isn't a news article about the consequences of drug and alcohol use. This person ran over and killed that person. Naked man goes berserk, killing family and friends. Et al.

So, the question, how much better would society be, if alcohol and drugs were never invented/founded. The financial, social, and moral implications?
There has been quite alot of consequences ever since the way to make fire from twigs was discovered, too.

There is no contract with anyone that humans will be uniform and sensible to each and everyone else in their day-to-day activities and believe history as you will find much insanity recorded that was done without imbibed substances creating bio-chemical alterations.

Are you proposing we ban everything deemed a drug to place people into some sort of moralistic dystopian happiness state of perfect bliss through absolute abnegation of certain substances deemed "bad"?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-18-2012, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
20,014 posts, read 20,514,746 times
Reputation: 20369
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil306 View Post
Not a day goes by where there isn't a news article about the consequences of drug and alcohol use. This person ran over and killed that person. Naked man goes berserk, killing family and friends. Et al.

So, the question, how much better would society be, if alcohol and drugs were never invented/founded. The financial, social, and moral implications?
Thinking of muslim countries and Amish and fundamentalist LDS, Im not sure it would be better. It seems societies devoid of alcohol can have strong oppressive religious beliefs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-18-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: FL
1,717 posts, read 2,503,244 times
Reputation: 1842
I don't think it would be any better off at all because there always was and always will be deliverers of pain and misery and recipients of pain and misery. I think one of the fundamental problems in addressing drug/alcohol abuse is why are people taking them in the first place? Whether or not people are resorting to it because of hardship, stress, or even to enhance a celebration they are escaping or altering their perception of reality.

Unfortunately it seems we as humans are hard wired with pleasure receptors but the problems begin when not everyone reacts to the substance favorably or morally. I don't think it would matter if there never was booze/drugs, some other activity (it doesn't always take ingestion of a chemical) to excite the pleasure receptors, e.g. sex. We certainly wouldn't be any better off financially, look how many jobs booze creates, from the sower of the seed to produce the hop or grain to the police, prosecutors, and judges who deal with the end result of over-indulgence and everyone in between....delivery drivers, the bartender, etc.

I don't think it would make much difference morally either. The caveman probably didn't have alcohol or drugs but there was most certainly violence because someone got a bigger piece of meat or built a better fire than the next guy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-18-2012, 05:45 PM
 
10,339 posts, read 7,598,210 times
Reputation: 4513
Well if alcohol were out-lawed it wouldn't stop people from making it themselves.

But if alcohol were somehow magically eliminated it sure would help with motor vehicle accident deaths since every day in the U.S. 30 people die from motor vehicle accidents that involve an alcohol-impaired driver and every year over 10,000 Americans are killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes.

Whatever happened to that type of car that won't drive if someone who is alcohol impaired tries to drive it.?

Not to mention the 80,000 deaths a year in individuals due to alcohol abuse.

As for costs? Massive. The CDC reports that "The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion."

CDC - Impaired Driving Facts - Motor Vehicle Safety - Injury Center

CDC - Fact Sheets-Alcohol Use And Health - Alcohol
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2012, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pa
1,416 posts, read 1,480,275 times
Reputation: 1565
I'd think it be a better place without having drugs around.

Drug dealers making neighborhoods bad, getting shot, etc.
Parents coming home drunk and killing their families.
Drunk people screaming in the middle of the night while others are sleep, it would def be a better place.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2012, 07:23 PM
 
1,097 posts, read 1,658,700 times
Reputation: 1577
I agree with Sgt Buzzcut - peoples' minds and "facilities" are always gonna' be effected by something. Even without external substances there will be impairment, even purposeful impairment, from something outside alcohol or drugs. Raw untempered emotion which can range from anger to some forms of "religious ecstasy"; physical stimulus from pain to pleasure, can mess with someone's head as much as drugs/alcohol.

"Drugs" need defined by the way - many helpful drugs are used outside their original intent or contain elements which impair as well as help.

We would also be living without any benefits & medicinal value of drugs/alcohol.

Taken to the extreme, to not have alcohol, you would pretty much have to eliminate anything that can ferment!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2012, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
3,813 posts, read 3,530,139 times
Reputation: 3962
The issue isn't whether I want drugs (yes, I know alcohol is a drug) illegal or not. The original question is hypothetical. IF drugs have never had been and/or invented, what are the positives toward society?

Yes, you can say violent crime would still happen. However, on a MUCH reduced scale. Most of all violent assaults, domestic violence, etc one or both parties are impaired through alcohol and/or drugs. What is the financial costs to society? What are the moral implications?

If alcohol and/or drugs were never invented, the need for police, fire, and prisons would be GREATLY REDUCED. And therefore, all surrounding support services would be reduced too. What could the BILLIONS of dollars saved, have been used for? THAT is the issues I would like to address.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top